Phi Kappa Psi at U of Virginia Voluntarily Suspends Activities

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by Kevin

It's up to each of on our own campuses to get in front of the issue then, even if leadership from our HQs or the FIPG isn't really there.

I'm personally going to make a point of reaching out to my officers and to our Greek Life office to see what kind of sexual abuse/domestic violence prevention programs we are utilizing on campus and I'd like to make sure that we have programs in place to educate students and to encourage victims to come forward and deal with the issues which will happen.

A lot of campuses have "that" house and it's high time we start identifying those chapters and dealing with them more proactively and aggressively when their HQs refuse to in order that we don't all suffer for something their members do.

I have no quarrel with this, it's a very common sense approach to a specific problem. The issue I have is the ever expanding definition of the problem (which is a direct result of blowing the problem out of proportion). I've read some of the cases that have gotten some high profile media attention....not just the media version, but the actual case records where available. In so many of them, the facts are the same. Two very drunk (but not incapacitated) students having sex that they probably wouldn't have if they were stone cold sober. I'm not sure how education is going to change that. And it's a very different problem than the much more rare problem of the predator who uses alcohol in a deliberate way to facilitate sexual assaults. But the fear mongers are treating them exactly the same.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by honorgal

Two very drunk (but not incapacitated) students having sex that they probably wouldn't have if they were stone cold sober.

That's not the same as a rape and definitely not the sort of thing which allegedly happened at UVA. And these situations where sex is consensual and the female decides she wants takesie backsies and asks for charges to be filed are true horror stories which many schools' implementations of Title IX have led me to believe the male student could be victimized by a process rigged in the favor of the alleged victim.

And it's a very different problem than the much more rare problem of the predator who uses alcohol in a deliberate way to facilitate sexual assaults. But the fear mongers are treating them exactly the same.

And again, we are -->here<-- on that issue. The best we can hope for is to have open dialog with the schools, take appropriate steps for prevention and when it does happen, we want to avoid an us vs. them approach with our host schools. Our national organizations need to take good looks at shutting down some of the problem chapters regardless of how much $$ those chapters generate. Schools need to do a better job communicating with national groups as to which of their organizations merit inquiry and schools need to look at policies of exclusion for national organizations who do not play ball with universities which are trying to protect their students.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by Kevin

That's not the same as a rape and definitely not the sort of thing which allegedly happened at UVA. And these situations where sex is consensual and the female decides she wants takesie backsies and asks for charges to be filed are true horror stories which many schools' implementations of Title IX have led me to believe the male student could be victimized by a process rigged in the favor of the alleged victim.

I agree, it's not the same thing as the alleged crime at UVA, but the media, as well as the OCR and many campus admins are treating it as all the same problem. That's my point. That's where all these scary statistics come from. I believe the Rolling Stone article made the claim that one in three females at UVA is assaulted at some point. Sorry, but that just defies common sense logic. What parent in their right mind would continue to send their daughters to such a dangerous place? And with the article's emphasis on the horrific gang-rape, it is definitely written to conflate some very disparate problems all into one ugly "rapists are everywhere at UVA" reaction.