Ferguson, MO

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Why do you want to cry?

So the Grand Jury apparently believed that lying liars lie.

When I read the testimony, it came off as very coached.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Kevin

So the Grand Jury apparently believed that lying liars lie.

When I read the testimony, it came off as very coached.

I didn't read it because that site wanted me dowload some software in order to read it plus it was 182 pages.

But, please refresh my memory. Wasn't his friend the one that initially said that Wilson shot Brown in the back even though the three separate autopsys have disproved Brown ever getting shot in the back while running away?

[ZetaPhi708.20]

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[KDCat]

Originally Posted by Kevin

So the Grand Jury apparently believed that lying liars lie.

When I read the testimony, it came off as very coached.

(This is super-long, so please excuse me. I am venting.)

When I read Darren Wilson's testimony, it just seems weird to me.

When I read this guy, I believe him. I do think he was prepared. His attorney is Freeman Bosley, who is very active in the AA community in St. Louis and a politician, as well as an attorney. I still believe him. Witness prep is typical, not unusual, if you practice litigation. My clients are always prepped before any testimony under oath.

Here's why I believe him:
He comes off as a typical guy that you might find in that neighborhood. I believe that he had just moved to a better neighborhood from some crappy neighborhood. (Ferguson isn't the hood. It's a working class neighborhood. I went to college with kids from Ferguson. It's not far from where I grew up.) Lots of AA people move from East. St. Louis and North St. Louis to the working class suburbs like Ferguson. There is less crime and better schools.

I know from experience and from living here most of my life that St. Louis cops can be aggressive assholes. They also lie on the stand. It's practically part of their job description. We had a terrible experience in my home town with some drunk St. Louis cops harassing bar patrons and then pulling a gun on them. It ended up with one of our cops shooting one of the St. Louis cops dead. http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/i...9bb30f31a.html

I also know that Mike Brown's autopsy said he was positive for marijuana. It's possible and even likely that he was high when he went to the store and stole those cigars. I knew guys in college who did similar things under the influence (1 stole a bottle of vodka after the clerk said he couldn't sell alcohol after 1 am. 1 stole an ice scraper from a gas station. 1 stole a movie poster from the front of a theater. They were idiots, but they didn't end up dead.)

So what happened? I think that Mike Brown was high and acting like an idiot. (Johnson testified that Mike Brown didn't usually act like this.) The cop reacts overly aggressively. He is cowboying the situation. Mike Brown struggles and runs away. The cop kills him because he is pissed off.

I never fully bought the story about Brown charging the cop. Who runs and then turns on a cop? Suspects run or suspects fight. They don't typically run and then turn around and fight. Who turns on a cop that is firing a gun at him under any circumstance? Nobody does that. It's a weird story.

I do believe that Brown might try to run away and then stop and act confused after getting shot. I do believe that a guy who was shot and confused could turn around and face the cop in his confusion. I do believe that a confused person who was just shot might say " I don't have a gun."

I also never bought the story about Darren Wilson being terrified of Mike Brown. They are almost the same height. Wilson has a badge and a gun. He's been a cop for some time. He is trained.

After reading Johnson's testimony and Wilson's testimony, I think Johnson's story is more likely to be true. Wilson executed that kid for struggling and running away.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by KDCat

(This is super-long, so please excuse me. I am venting.)

When I read Darren Wilson's testimony, it just seems weird to me.

When I read this guy, I believe him. I do think he was prepared. His attorney is Freeman Bosley, who is very active in the AA community in St. Louis and a politician, as well as an attorney. I still believe him. Witness prep is typical, not unusual, if you practice litigation. My clients are always prepped before any testimony under oath.

Here's why I believe him:
He comes off as a typical guy that you might find in that neighborhood. I believe that he had just moved to a better neighborhood from some crappy neighborhood. (Ferguson isn't the hood. It's a working class neighborhood. I went to college with kids from Ferguson. It's not far from where I grew up.) Lots of AA people move from East. St. Louis and North St. Louis to the working class suburbs like Ferguson. There is less crime and better schools.

I know from experience and from living here most of my life that St. Louis cops can be aggressive assholes. They also lie on the stand. It's practically part of their job description. We had a terrible experience in my home town with some drunk St. Louis cops harassing bar patrons and then pulling a gun on them. It ended up with one of our cops shooting one of the St. Louis cops dead. http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/i...9bb30f31a.html

I also know that Mike Brown's autopsy said he was positive for marijuana. It's possible and even likely that he was high when he went to the store and stole those cigars. I knew guys in college who did similar things under the influence (1 stole a bottle of vodka after the clerk said he couldn't sell alcohol after 1 am. 1 stole an ice scraper from a gas station. 1 stole a movie poster from the front of a theater. They were idiots, but they didn't end up dead.)

So what happened? I think that Mike Brown was high and acting like an idiot. (Johnson testified that Mike Brown didn't usually act like this.) The cop reacts overly aggressively. He is cowboying the situation. Mike Brown struggles and runs away. The cop kills him because he is pissed off.

I never fully bought the story about Brown charging the cop. Who runs and then turns on a cop? Suspects run or suspects fight. They don't typically run and then turn around and fight. Who turns on a cop that is firing a gun at him under any circumstance? Nobody does that. It's a weird story.

I do believe that Brown might try to run away and then stop and act confused after getting shot. I do believe that a guy who was shot and confused could turn around and face the cop in his confusion. I do believe that a confused person who was just shot might say " I don't have a gun."

I also never bought the story about Darren Wilson being terrified of Mike Brown. They are almost the same height. Wilson has a badge and a gun. He's been a cop for some time. He is trained.

After reading Johnson's testimony and Wilson's testimony, I think Johnson's story is more likely to be true. Wilson executed that kid for struggling and running away.

Is it wise to come to a conclusion based off of one (out of many) testimony when this case was marred with so many conflicting accounts? Yes, his may have been different but there were other testimonies that corroborated Officer Wilsons account.

We can all sit here and give our opinions based off of emotions and biases on whether he was guilty or innocent but unless you are privy to all 70 hours of testimonies and physical evidence shown to the Grand Jury than you really can't make an accurate judgment.

[KDCat]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Is it wise to come to a conclusion based off of one (out of many) testimony when this case was marred with so many conflicting accounts? Yes, his may have been different but there were other testimonies that corroborated Officer Wilsons account.

We can all sit here and give our opinions based off of emotions and biases on whether he was guilty or innocent but unless you are privy to all 70 hours of testimonies and physical evidence shown to the Grand Jury than you really can't make an accurate judgment.

Darion Johnson and Darren Wilson are the only two people who saw the whole thing.

The other witnesses corroborate both of their stories. They are all over the place. It's not an either/or.

This is really a swearing contest between Wilson and Johnson.

[ASTalumna06]

AGDee, I should have elaborated: it's difficult to determine what happened and who is telling the truth in rgard to what occurred leading up to the point where there was physical evidence (i.e. who said what and when, and what caused the situation to escalate to the point of physical violence).

Originally Posted by KDCat

I also know that Mike Brown's autopsy said he was positive for marijuana. It's possible and even likely that he was high when he went to the store and stole those cigars. I knew guys in college who did similar things under the influence (1 stole a bottle of vodka after the clerk said he couldn't sell alcohol after 1 am. 1 stole an ice scraper from a gas station. 1 stole a movie poster from the front of a theater. They were idiots, but they didn't end up dead.)

So what happened? I think that Mike Brown was high and acting like an idiot. (Johnson testified that Mike Brown didn't usually act like this.) The cop reacts overly aggressively. He is cowboying the situation. Mike Brown struggles and runs away. The cop kills him because he is pissed off.

I never fuly bought the story about Brown charging the cop. Who runs and then turns on a cop? Suspects run or suspects fight. They don't typically run and then turn around and fight. Who turns on a cop that is firing a gun at him under any circumstance? Nobody does that. It's a weird story.

Maybe you already answered your own question?

[KDCat]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

AGDee, I should have elaborated: it's difficult to determine what happened and who is telling the truth in rgard to what occurred leading up to the point where there was physical evidence (i.e. who said what and when, and what caused the situation to escalate to the point of physical violence).



Maybe you already answered your own question?

Pot doesn't make people charge cops with their head down.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by KDCat

Pot doesn't make people charge cops with their head down.

It also doesn't prevent people from doing so.

To highlight how race and gender shape experiences and interactions:
There are members of the Black community who discuss (usually mainly with other Black people) the hetero-masculine demeanor of many Black men; and how this demeanor can sometimes come across as cocky and overly confident when dealing with authority figures including law enforcement. Some Black men have difficulty balancing this with what many Black men are taught about law enforcement--to stay away from law enforcement as much as possible but in an interaction to not say too much, be respectful, watch body language, etc.

It is therefore not shocking if some interactions with law enforcement turn hostile and physical for particular groups of people. I have seen certain hostilities myself and it is by the grace of God these interactions did not escalate.

[Phrozen Sands]

So we have an unarmed black kid, riddled with 12 bullets, dead and left in the middle of the street for over 4-hours. On the flip side of that coin, we have a white guy who decided to shoot up a movie theater, armed with 600 something rounds of ammunition, a shotgun, two handguns, and several semi-automatics, with orange dyed hair. He's still living. Lol! Gotta love white America.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

So we have an unarmed black kid, riddled with 12 bullets, dead and left in the middle of the street for over 4-hours. On the flip side of that coin, we have a white guy who decided to shoot up a movie theater, armed with 600 something rounds of ammunition, a shotgun, two handguns, and several semi-automatics, with orange dyed hair. He's still living. Lol! Gotta love white America.

Gingers are a rare species, us whites need to keep them alive at all costs.








Apples and oranges dude. If Holmes didn't practically give himself up to police when they showed up on scene and put up a fight he would have been killed by police IMO.