Phi Kappa Psi at U of Virginia Voluntarily Suspends Activities

[cinder1965]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

And they don't fire the teacher? Yes, yes they do. Institutions other than the legal system have their own rule sets and enforce consequences all of the time.

It depends. In a lot of cases they may not fire a teacher right away, they put them on administrative leave, etc. The school still has to report it to law enforcement and cooperate to make sure justice is done. So what is your point?

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by cinder1965

It depends. In a lot of cases they may not fire a teacher right away, they put them on administrative leave, etc. The school still has to report it to law enforcement and cooperate to make sure justice is done. So what is your point?

My point is that your example is a bad one. If a teacher is accused of molesting a student, the school doesn't just sit around doing nothing until there's a jury trial. Universities need to be empowered to take action to protect their students, just as elementary schools would.

And if you really think that law enforcement is a means by which rape victims get "justice," you should read up on what actually happens when a woman reports a rape to the cops.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

My point is that your example is a bad one. If a teacher is accused of molesting a student, the school doesn't just sit around doing nothing until there's a jury trial. Universities need to be empowered to take action to protect their students, just as elementary schools would.

Universities already are empowered and because of Tile IX, they are more empowered than primary and secondary schools. With Title IX investigations, they have a lower burden of proof to actually do something and relaxed rules of evidence. So much so that I think there are some Constitutional issues still.

When it is he said vs. she said, rape allegations are often not prosecuted. Schools under Tile IX still have lots of options.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Universities already are empowered and because of Tile IX, they are more empowered than primary and secondary schools. With Title IX investigations, they have a lower burden of proof to actually do something and relaxed rules of evidence. So much so that I think there are some Constitutional issues still.

When it is he said vs. she said, rape allegations are often not prosecuted. Schools under Tile IX still have lots of options.

I know. I was responding to a poster who said that universities should just kick it over to the criminal justice system. That's a bad idea; hence Title IX.

[cinder1965]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

My point is that your example is a bad one. If a teacher is accused of molesting a student, the school doesn't just sit around doing nothing until there's a jury trial. Universities need to be empowered to take action to protect their students, just as elementary schools would.

And if you really think that law enforcement is a means by which rape victims get "justice," you should read up on what actually happens when a woman reports a rape to the cops.

MY point is that the university's options through Title IX have not been utilized by the administration to date. Please spare me your sarcasm and rudeness about how I should read up on what happens when a woman reports rape. I know what the hell happens thank you very much.

Any and all options should be utilized. Can't believe how this university and Greek are continually defended, so done with this thread. Peace out.

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

And if you really think that law enforcement is a means by which rape victims get "justice," you should read up on what actually happens when a woman reports a rape to the cops.

I really respect you as a member but I'm incredibly bothered with your message. No one knows if someone has been raped and in a discussion about rape, to suggest to a woman that she has no idea what happens when a rape is reported is so far over the line. You have no idea who you're really saying this to. But if gosh forbid they happened to be a rape survivor you come off sounding like a hard assed bitch.

[33girl]

I know I'm about a hundred posts too late, but I still don't understand what Title IX has to do with rape and sexual assault.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I know I'm about a hundred posts too late, but I still don't understand what Title IX has to do with rape and sexual assault.

Oh good.. I'm not the only one! Someone care to explain?

[exlurker]

Ali Vitali – a Pi Phi* and a Tulane alumna -- comments on the UVA situation, a Greek life issues concerning rape and other sexual assaults, and her own -- revised -- view. She is on the MSNBC staff, so naturally her remarks are on an MSNBC site:

http://www.msnbc.com/krystal-clear/c...n-fraternities

*she mentions her arrow necklace

[exlurker]

Fairly long Washington Post story on the UVA situation / allegations:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...984_story.html

“. . . ‘ the fraternity system probably has one chance to fix itself,' Wright said. 'If we don’t get this right, people are going to ask for fraternities to be banned, and they are going to have a point.’ "

-------- Quote from the story ^^; according to the story, Paul Wright is a UVA alumnus and a Chi Psi; he serves on his fraternity’s national board.

[1964Alum]

Originally Posted by exlurker

Fairly long Washington Post story on the UVA situation / allegations:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...984_story.html

“. . . ‘ the fraternity system probably has one chance to fix itself,' Wright said. 'If we don’t get this right, people are going to ask for fraternities to be banned, and they are going to have a point.’ "

-------- Quote from the story ^^; according to the story, Paul Wright is a UVA alumnus and a Chi Psi; he serves on his fraternity’s national board.

Alumni, faculty members, and students are ALREADY calling for a ban on fraternities at UVA. Mothers of young men are chiming into the chorus as they don't want their sons in this kind of environment. I agree that if they can't find a way to get it right, their days will be numbered.

What has been revealed at UVA is also rippling across the country. I talked with a cousin in Florida yesterday who said that a very common discussion topic there are very similar events which are happening in Florida schools.

IMO the Greek community can't afford to fail to take this very seriously indeed.