University of Texas Recruitment 2014

[PinkSkyAtNight]

Here is the organization's statement on hazing, you can determine if separating PNMs and talking to some and not others creates an environment of superiority/inferiority:

Hazing is prohibited.

Hazing is any action taken or situation created, organized or conducted regardless of intent by any new and/or initiated member of XYZ or their agent(s) for any other individual where participation may be voluntary, forced or coerced that occurs, regardless of location, that has the potential to cause or actually results in emotional, mental or physical discomfort; illness; injury; consumption of or opportunity to consume alcohol; that may create a superior/inferior relationship between the participants; and/or may reflect unfavorably upon the individuals, chapter or Fraternity. Permission or approval by a person being hazed is not a defense.

Any chapter or individual member whose actions or attitudes are not in accord with the Fraternity’s policy against hazing will be subject to disciplinary action by the chapter and/or by Grand Council. Acts of hazing may result in civil and criminal liability on the part of those individuals engaged in such activities.

Chapters and members must follow all applicable federal, state, local and province laws and university policies regarding hazing.

The elimination of hazing is the responsibility of each collegiate and alumna member of XYZ.

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by PinkSkyAtNight

Here is the organization's statement on hazing, you can determine if separating PNMs and talking to some and not others creates an environment of superiority/inferiority:

Hazing is prohibited.

Hazing is any action taken or situation created, organized or conducted regardless of intent by any new and/or initiated member of XYZ or their agent(s) for any other individual where participation may be voluntary, forced or coerced that occurs, regardless of location, that has the potential to cause or actually results in emotional, mental or physical discomfort; illness; injury; consumption of or opportunity to consume alcohol; that may create a superior/inferior relationship between the participants; and/or may reflect unfavorably upon the individuals, chapter or Fraternity. Permission or approval by a person being hazed is not a defense.

Any chapter or individual member whose actions or attitudes are not in accord with the Fraternity’s policy against hazing will be subject to disciplinary action by the chapter and/or by Grand Council. Acts of hazing may result in civil and criminal liability on the part of those individuals engaged in such activities.

Chapters and members must follow all applicable federal, state, local and province laws and university policies regarding hazing.

The elimination of hazing is the responsibility of each collegiate and alumna member of XYZ.

This isn't your fight, it's not even your organization. This is a matter for UT Panhellenic, Nationals and maybe the NPC.

Honestly, butt out. I'd find it so odd to get a report of hazing from someone who isn't in the organization or even at UT. It's like stirring the pot.

If the system wants it to change, then the system will change it.

[PinkSkyAtNight]

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

This isn't your fight, it's not even your organization. This is a matter for UT Panhellenic, Nationals and maybe the NPC.

Honestly, butt out. I'd find it so odd to get a report of hazing from someone who isn't in the organization or even at UT. It's like stirring the pot.

If the system wants it to change, then the system will change it.

And you presume I don't know people who had to be part of this. All I did was post their statement, relax. If people don't like being talked about, then don't give people a reason to talk about you.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

This isn't your fight, it's not even your organization. This is a matter for UT Panhellenic, Nationals and maybe the NPC.

Honestly, butt out. I'd find it so odd to get a report of hazing from someone who isn't in the organization or even at UT. It's like stirring the pot.

If the system wants it to change, then the system will change it.

The fact that this is happening makes all Greek organizations look bad: Whether it's fair or not, guilt by association is a real thing. There are many people contributing to this thread who aren't a member of the organization in question, nor are they connected to UT. This seems, to me, to be an appropriate place to have this discussion.

Regarding your last sentence, I would assume that the system does want it to change or else they wouldn't impose a fine on this chapter. Is there another reason the fine would be in place if the goal wasn't to attempt to put a stop to their behavior?

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

The fact that this is happening makes all Greek organizations look bad: Whether it's fair or not, guilt by association is a real thing. There are many people contributing to this thread who aren't a member of the organization in question, nor are they connected to UT. This seems, to me, to be an appropriate place to have this discussion.

Regarding your last sentence, I would assume that the system does want it to change or else they wouldn't impose a fine on this chapter. Is there another reason the fine would be in place if the goal wasn't to attempt to put a stop to their behavior?

That wasn't my point. This site is the perfect place for the discussion and I never said otherwise. My point was that I don't think people who have no ties to UT or XYZ should be writing the school or the organization about it.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

My point was that I don't think people who have no ties to UT or XYZ should be writing the school or the organization about it.

Oh.
It's hard to see that point since neither your post nor the post you quoted made any reference to writing the school or the organization.

[PinkSkyAtNight]

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

That wasn't my point. This site is the perfect place for the discussion and I never said otherwise. My point was that I don't think people who have no ties to UT or XYZ should be writing the school or the organization about it.

We are greek. We are members of the NPC umbrella. We have a right to talk about something when we see something that doesn't feel right or just. I never said I was going to e-mail the president of UT, and I have no such plans. Calm down. You seem very scared that people are even talking about this.

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by PinkSkyAtNight

We are greek. We are members of the NPC umbrella. We have a right to talk about something when we see something that doesn't feel right or just. I never said I was going to e-mail the president of UT, and I have no such plans. Calm down. You seem very scared that people are even talking about this.

I'm not saying don't talk about it. I've never said that. And if you had been here more time you'd know I'm not someone who shys away from the tough questions or the taboo topics.

But somewhere in this thread it was suggested to write the University president of UT. I don't agree with that.

We'll have to just agree to disagree.

[PinkSkyAtNight]

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

I'm not saying don't talk about it. I've never said that. And if you had been here more time you'd know I'm not someone who shys away from the tough questions or the taboo topics.

But somewhere in this thread it was suggested to write the University president of UT. I don't agree with that.

We'll have to just agree to disagree.

Then why didn't you address the person who suggested e-mailing the President? That wasn't me.... I merely posted the organization's statement on hazing and expressed my feelings about the behavior.

And while you may not agree with e-mailing the president, you have made it very clear that this is nobody else's business except for those who are part of this organization or UT panhellenic. Well, unfortunately, this type of behavior effects all organizations, and feeds into the negative stereotypes about greeks. And attempts or pressure to silence people from addressing it in whatever fashion (e-mail, discussion, whatever) comes accross as defensive.

[snowflakemom]

Originally Posted by PinkSkyAtNight

Here is the organization's statement on hazing, you can determine if separating PNMs and talking to some and not others creates an environment of superiority/inferiority:

Hazing is prohibited.

Hazing is any action taken or situation created, organized or conducted regardless of intent by any new and/or initiated member of XYZ or their agent(s) for any other individual where participation may be voluntary, forced or coerced that occurs, regardless of location, that has the potential to cause or actually results in emotional, mental or physical discomfort; illness; injury; consumption of or opportunity to consume alcohol; that may create a superior/inferior relationship between the participants; and/or may reflect unfavorably upon the individuals, chapter or Fraternity. Permission or approval by a person being hazed is not a defense.

Any chapter or individual member whose actions or attitudes are not in accord with the Fraternity’s policy against hazing will be subject to disciplinary action by the chapter and/or by Grand Council. Acts of hazing may result in civil and criminal liability on the part of those individuals engaged in such activities.

Chapters and members must follow all applicable federal, state, local and province laws and university policies regarding hazing.

The elimination of hazing is the responsibility of each collegiate and alumna member of XYZ.

Wow when I read this, it really does sound like hazing. It would be one thing if they did the dance party with ALL the pnms but to only do it with the ones they don't want definitely would cause mental discomfort and a superior /inferior environment.

Has anyone reported this to NPC? If so, what was their stance?