University of Texas Recruitment 2014

[AOII Angel]

You also presume that the University President would give a sh*t.

[BadCat25]

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
Edmund Burke

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by BadCat25

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
Edmund Burke

Are you kidding me? It's sorority recruitment, a VOLUNTARY event. No one is forced to go, no is forced to say in the house during dance party. I'd be beyond bothered that my university's president is so involved in Greek affairs both as a member. But also as an alum, the president has far more important things to worry about.

[pmdal]

KD took 66

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

Are you kidding me? It's sorority recruitment, a VOLUNTARY event. No one is forced to go, no is forced to say in the house during dance party. I'd be beyond bothered that my university's president is so involved in Greek affairs both as a member. But also as an alum, the president has far more important things to worry about.

And again - slippery slope. If he sticks his nose in this, it sets a precedent for him to stick his nose in everything. Not to mention, harassment by the president might make this chapter into martyrs for "free expression" - which is the LAST thing anyone wants to happen.

[PinkSkyAtNight]

Here is the organization's statement on hazing, you can determine if separating PNMs and talking to some and not others creates an environment of superiority/inferiority:

Hazing is prohibited.

Hazing is any action taken or situation created, organized or conducted regardless of intent by any new and/or initiated member of XYZ or their agent(s) for any other individual where participation may be voluntary, forced or coerced that occurs, regardless of location, that has the potential to cause or actually results in emotional, mental or physical discomfort; illness; injury; consumption of or opportunity to consume alcohol; that may create a superior/inferior relationship between the participants; and/or may reflect unfavorably upon the individuals, chapter or Fraternity. Permission or approval by a person being hazed is not a defense.

Any chapter or individual member whose actions or attitudes are not in accord with the Fraternity’s policy against hazing will be subject to disciplinary action by the chapter and/or by Grand Council. Acts of hazing may result in civil and criminal liability on the part of those individuals engaged in such activities.

Chapters and members must follow all applicable federal, state, local and province laws and university policies regarding hazing.

The elimination of hazing is the responsibility of each collegiate and alumna member of XYZ.

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by PinkSkyAtNight

Here is the organization's statement on hazing, you can determine if separating PNMs and talking to some and not others creates an environment of superiority/inferiority:

Hazing is prohibited.

Hazing is any action taken or situation created, organized or conducted regardless of intent by any new and/or initiated member of XYZ or their agent(s) for any other individual where participation may be voluntary, forced or coerced that occurs, regardless of location, that has the potential to cause or actually results in emotional, mental or physical discomfort; illness; injury; consumption of or opportunity to consume alcohol; that may create a superior/inferior relationship between the participants; and/or may reflect unfavorably upon the individuals, chapter or Fraternity. Permission or approval by a person being hazed is not a defense.

Any chapter or individual member whose actions or attitudes are not in accord with the Fraternity’s policy against hazing will be subject to disciplinary action by the chapter and/or by Grand Council. Acts of hazing may result in civil and criminal liability on the part of those individuals engaged in such activities.

Chapters and members must follow all applicable federal, state, local and province laws and university policies regarding hazing.

The elimination of hazing is the responsibility of each collegiate and alumna member of XYZ.

This isn't your fight, it's not even your organization. This is a matter for UT Panhellenic, Nationals and maybe the NPC.

Honestly, butt out. I'd find it so odd to get a report of hazing from someone who isn't in the organization or even at UT. It's like stirring the pot.

If the system wants it to change, then the system will change it.

[PinkSkyAtNight]

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

This isn't your fight, it's not even your organization. This is a matter for UT Panhellenic, Nationals and maybe the NPC.

Honestly, butt out. I'd find it so odd to get a report of hazing from someone who isn't in the organization or even at UT. It's like stirring the pot.

If the system wants it to change, then the system will change it.

And you presume I don't know people who had to be part of this. All I did was post their statement, relax. If people don't like being talked about, then don't give people a reason to talk about you.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

This isn't your fight, it's not even your organization. This is a matter for UT Panhellenic, Nationals and maybe the NPC.

Honestly, butt out. I'd find it so odd to get a report of hazing from someone who isn't in the organization or even at UT. It's like stirring the pot.

If the system wants it to change, then the system will change it.

The fact that this is happening makes all Greek organizations look bad: Whether it's fair or not, guilt by association is a real thing. There are many people contributing to this thread who aren't a member of the organization in question, nor are they connected to UT. This seems, to me, to be an appropriate place to have this discussion.

Regarding your last sentence, I would assume that the system does want it to change or else they wouldn't impose a fine on this chapter. Is there another reason the fine would be in place if the goal wasn't to attempt to put a stop to their behavior?

[snowflakemom]

Originally Posted by PinkSkyAtNight

Here is the organization's statement on hazing, you can determine if separating PNMs and talking to some and not others creates an environment of superiority/inferiority:

Hazing is prohibited.

Hazing is any action taken or situation created, organized or conducted regardless of intent by any new and/or initiated member of XYZ or their agent(s) for any other individual where participation may be voluntary, forced or coerced that occurs, regardless of location, that has the potential to cause or actually results in emotional, mental or physical discomfort; illness; injury; consumption of or opportunity to consume alcohol; that may create a superior/inferior relationship between the participants; and/or may reflect unfavorably upon the individuals, chapter or Fraternity. Permission or approval by a person being hazed is not a defense.

Any chapter or individual member whose actions or attitudes are not in accord with the Fraternity’s policy against hazing will be subject to disciplinary action by the chapter and/or by Grand Council. Acts of hazing may result in civil and criminal liability on the part of those individuals engaged in such activities.

Chapters and members must follow all applicable federal, state, local and province laws and university policies regarding hazing.

The elimination of hazing is the responsibility of each collegiate and alumna member of XYZ.

Wow when I read this, it really does sound like hazing. It would be one thing if they did the dance party with ALL the pnms but to only do it with the ones they don't want definitely would cause mental discomfort and a superior /inferior environment.

Has anyone reported this to NPC? If so, what was their stance?

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by BadCat25

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
Edmund Burke

I look forward to learning the response from the president to your letter.

[AnchorAlum]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

You also presume that the University President would give a sh*t.

Especially since Bill Powers is on his way out the door.