Baby tests positive for illegal drugs? Arrest the mom.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Well there's a perfect world and there's the real world.

This isn't about perfect world versus real world.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Some of these folks aren't too interested in making positive choices.

That goes for all people. But this topic is about more than that.

Originally Posted by Kevin

There was a proposal in Louisiana a number of years ago, or just the beginnings of one which would have paid folks to voluntarily be sterilized. Sounded like a good plan except folks were screaming about it being eugenics.

It is eugenics because they are targeting particular demographics.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

It is eugenics because they are targeting particular demographics.

People who can't afford to have children seems like a legitimate demographic to focus on.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

People who can't afford to have children seems like a legitimate demographic to focus on.

Because you believe in eugenics.

The average person in every socioeconomic status is financially and mentally-emotionally under-prepared for parenthood. Either preach to EVERYONE about birth control and parenthood preparation or preach to NO ONE. Do not only target lower socioeconomic statuses which will disproportionately target racial and ethnic minorities.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Because you believe in eugenics.

The average person in every socioeconomic status is financially and mentally-emotionally under-prepared for parenthood. Either preach to EVERYONE about birth control and parenthood preparation or preach to NO ONE. Do not only target lower socioeconomic statuses which will disproportionately target racial and ethnic minorities.

I'm not sure it would disproportionately target racial and ethnic minorities. There are more poor whites than any other minority. But so what if it does? We could eliminate generational poverty in a generation or two.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I'm not sure it would disproportionately target racial and ethnic minorities. There are more poor whites than any other minority.

You need to learn what is meant by "disproportionate(ly)". Seriously. Read about it.

Originally Posted by Kevin

But so what if it does? We could eliminate generational poverty in a generation or two.

Wow. Have you not kept up with the failed attempts of the past 50+ years? Read. Before you rally behind any law and policy. Read. Read. Read. Everything that appears new is old.

[MaryPoppins]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Wow. Have you not kept up with the failed attempts of the past 50+ years? Read. Before you rally behind any law and policy. Read. Read. Read.

^^^this. You want to teach people to fish rather than give them a fish? The make sure education works at all levels and ages. You want to prevent people from becoming disabled? Have a healthcare system that works for all socioeconomic groups not just the well to do. You want folks to be working? Don't allow companies to profit off of the community if they do not participate in the community (no drug sales to populace if you don't pay taxes and employ people from the populace.)

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by MaryPoppins

^^^this. You want to teach people to fish rather than give them a fish? The make sure education works at all levels and ages. You want to prevent people from becoming disabled? Have a healthcare system that works for all socioeconomic groups not just the well to do. You want folks to be working? Don't allow companies to profit off of the community if they do not participate in the community (no drug sales to populace if you don't pay taxes and employ people from the populace.)

I'm resigned to the fact that even if we spent trillions of dollars on public education and welfare and trying to teach people to fish, they're not going to do it. There are people who refuse to make positive life choices no matter what their opportunities are. It would be wise to entice them to make a voluntary choice to sterilize themselves.

In the past, these sorts of agendas just weren't ambitious enough and were blatantly targeted towards racial minorities. I would say make sterilization and payment available to anyone who wants it. Are meth heads looking for cash for their next fix going to disproportionately take this pay day? I hope so!

What are your solutions to these problems? Bitching endlessly about privilege?

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I'm not sure it would disproportionately target racial and ethnic minorities. There are more poor whites than any other minority. But so what if it does? We could eliminate generational poverty in a generation or two.

You're a sicko. That's all I've got.