Universities Under Investigation Re: Handling Sexual Assault

[honorgal]

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepa...fense-n1849213

[MysticCat]

^^^ What's that a link to? It's helpful to provide some context to a link, and perhaps even some indication of why you think it may be worth taking a look at, if you want people to take a look at it.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by honorgal

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepa...fense-n1849213

Article headline:

Feminists Freak Out Over Miss Nevada Suggestion Women Learn Self Defense to Avoid Rape

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by honorgal

Article headline:

Feminists Freak Out Over Miss Nevada Suggestion Women Learn Self Defense to Avoid Rape

Thanks. So why do you think this article is worth reading? Because having read it, I thought is was completely lacking in competent journalism or persuasive presentation of an argument—it was nothing more than a castigation of the tweets of four supposed "leftist feminists" as a surrogate for castigating all "leftist feminism."

I guess the "Freak Out" in the hyperbolic headline should have clued me in; I didn't see any "freaking out" in the tweets.

And yes, I would have reacted the same way if the headline had been said "Right-Wing Mysogenists Freak Out."

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Thanks. So why do you think this article is worth reading? Because having read it, I thought is was completely lacking in competent journalism or persuasive presentation of an argument—it was nothing more than a castigation of the tweets of four supposed "leftist feminists" as a surrogate for castigating all "leftist feminism."

I guess the "Freak Out" in the hyperbolic headline should have clued me in; I didn't see any "freaking out" in the tweets.

And yes, I would have reacted the same way if the headline had been said "Right-Wing Mysogenists Freak Out."

There were a lot more tweets than four, they simply use those four as examples. And no, that doesn't implicate all "leftist feminists" any more than a tweet like "men should learn not to rape" implicates all men.

I found it worth reading simply because it's more evidence of the very unserious rape crisis hysteria that some leftist feminists have whipped up in the media.

The male victims of the "presumed guilty" crowd are starting to speak out.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...d-of-rape.html

And many college campus administrators aren't very happy about being caught in a no-win situation where no matter how sensitively they attend to the exquisite demands of feminist victim ideology, they can never be quite sensitive enough because, well, you know, MEN.

It will be interesting to see how the tension plays out in the coming years and the ensuing lawsuits.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by honorgal

There were a lot more tweets than four, they simply use those four as examples.

Perhaps there were more; the article doesn't say, at least as far as I could tell with multiple readings. And none of the four examples were examples of "freaking out."

I found it worth reading simply because it's more evidence of the very unserious rape crisis hysteria that some leftist feminists have whipped up in the media.

It's not evidence of anything except what four people tweeted. It's a form of yellow journalism.

And I'm sorry, but I have a hard time taking arguments that are constantly punctuated with charges of "hysteria" by the "leftist feminists" seriously. If an argument has merit, it can be made—and can be made much more effectively—without constant resort to that kind of polemic.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Perhaps there were more; the article doesn't say, at least as far as I could tell with multiple readings. And none of the four examples were examples of "freaking out."

It's not evidence of anything except what four people tweeted. It's a form of yellow journalism.

And I'm sorry, but I have a hard time taking arguments that are constantly punctuated with charges of "hysteria" by the "leftist feminists" seriously. If an argument has merit, it can be made—and can be made much more effectively—without constant resort to that kind of polemic.

And I have a hard time taking seriously the argument (made repeatedly and more shrilly in the last few years by feminists, the media, politicians, etc and obviously bought fully by some of the folks here) that there is a "rape crisis" when practical suggestions that could prevent future "rapes" are dismissed as victim blaming and icky.

Instead, we get ridiculousness like this:

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2....udbPS5g1.dpbs

Does anybody else remember that SNL skit that resulted when Antioch College made their feeble attempt to regulate all physical encounters among their college students?

Originally Posted by MysticCat

If an argument has merit, it can be made—and can be made much more effectively—without constant resort to that kind of polemic.

This is quite ironic.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by honorgal

This is quite ironic.

And yet accurate—and applicable to all sides of a debate.

[honorgal]

More evidence of how out of hand things have gotten, from a most unlikely source:

http://www.ncherm.org/wordpress/wp-c...HERM-Group.pdf

Brett Sokolow is a lawyer who is considered the "godfather" of the legal theory and cases linking campus sexual assault with Title IX. For him to be pushing back is surprising, to say the least.

In addition to the eye-opening factual scenarios he relates, I found the paragraph at the top of page 6 resonates.

Very reminiscent of the daycare sexual molestation panic in the 1980's.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by honorgal

And I have a hard time taking seriously the argument (made repeatedly and more shrilly in the last few years by feminists, the media, politicians, etc and obviously bought fully by some of the folks here) that there is a "rape crisis" when practical suggestions that could prevent future "rapes" are dismissed as victim blaming and icky.

Interesting, seeing as how you're the only one here carrying on and on about this "crisis"...