Universities Under Investigation Re: Handling Sexual Assault

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

honorgal, you state that the on campus rape statistics are "made up." What is your source for the "true" statistics? Show us the money, so to speak.

The hysteria crowd gets their stat from ONE online survey with an expansive definition of the meaning of sexual assault. In fact, the authors of the survey claimed that an intoxicated person can't give consent to sexual contact. Whadaya know, I've been raped!!! What a crock.

The latest DOJ findings equate to about 1 in 40 college student rapes/sexual assaults. That number is falling, not rising. And it's higher for non students which makes the hysteria even more suspect. Don't non-college women deserve protection? Why don't we throw out the constitution and due process for the non college men too?

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vvcs02.pdf

Look, 1 in 40 is too many. But it's not a growing epidemic . So there's no need to vastly inflate the numbers and throw out due process for men on our campuses. Unless that's the real goal of whipping up hysteria.

[FSUZeta]

As stated in the records, the accuser is white. Her blood alcohol level registered at .048, which is not considered intoxicated in Florida.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

As stated in the records, the accuser is white. Her blood alcohol level registered at .048, which is not considered intoxicated in Florida.

Thank you. I had it in my head that she was white, but must have skipped over it when I went back to confirm.

And do you mean by standards for driving? Or are there other state laws that address this?

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by honorgal
Thank you for correcting my stupidity and teaching me something.

I have posted on many message boards. Some where we debated very controversial and heated topics.

Never seen anyone do this before. Is this normal behavior? Good grief. You must be a very insecure person, Dr. Phil.

[DrPhil]

ETA: Speaking of "normal behavior" for message boards: Honorgal does seem to have an ax to grind that she/he will grind regardless. But I won't use that minute message board antic to accuse the person behind that username of being insecure.

[honorgal]

Awfully long winded and meaningless non-answer to my question.

[Quote:]
Originally Posted by honorgal
Thank you for correcting my stupidity and teaching me something.[/quote]

Do you do this a lot, Dr. Phil? I'm asking because if the answer is yes. I'd rather not waste my time on a message board that would allow it. It's rude and extremely childish.

[DrPhil]

Is this your version of a flounce? Have all of your posts been polite and mature? Someone who claims to have read GC for a while and randomly decided to grind an ax in this thread would know that this thread was taking a certain tone once you were suspected of trolling. I don't think you're trolling but you definitely have an ax to grind that prevents you from comprehending anyone other than yourself. I think you're a sock puppet or some equivalent.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Is this your version of a flounce? Someone who claims to have read GC for a while and randomly decided to grind an ax in this thread would know that this thread was taking a certain tone once you were suspected of trolling. I don't think you're trolling but you definitely have an ax to grind that prevents you from comprehending anyone other than yourself.

I've asked you a very simple and specific question three times now, about your rude behavior earlier where you wrote something and pretended to be quoting me. I have never posted on a message board where people did that, because if they tried, they got called out for it.

Do you routinely do it, or is it a one time thing?

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by honorgal

Do you routinely do it, or is it a one time thing?

Hello, false dichotomy!

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

Hello, false dichotomy!

LOL, yes well, I guess there's the possibility he's done it a few times. No one else here seems the slightest bit shocked by it, so I'm guessing it's not a one time thing. Really bad form in the message board world I've been in. YMMV.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by honorgal

Do you do this a lot, Dr. Phil? I'm asking because if the answer is yes. I'd rather not waste my time on a message board that would allow it. It's rude and extremely childish.

People who post things like this:

Originally Posted by honorgal

Oh goody, you passed Gender Studies 101 with flying colors.

have ceded the high ground and are not in a particularly good position for calling others out on rude and childish behavior.

You've raised some valid points, some of which many posters—including Dr. Phil (who is a she, btw)—appear to agree with. Unfortunately, your valid points are getting lost in the overly-combative, ax-grinding tone of your posts.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

People who post things like this:have ceded the high ground and are not in a particularly good position for calling others out on rude and childish behavior.

You've raised some valid points, some of which many posters—including Dr. Phil (who is a she, btw)—appear to agree with. Unfortunately, your valid points are getting lost in the overly-combative, ax-grinding tone of your posts.

Oh please. I've gone back and read the thread. If you did the same you'd see that I was simply responding to Dr. Phil's combativeness.

As for ax grinding, i do have strong opinions on this particular subject, from several different angles. Is that not encouraged?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by honorgal

Oh please. I've gone back and read the thread. If you did the same you'd see that I was simply responding to Dr. Phil's combativeness.

I too have gone back and read the thread, and the idea that you were simply responding to her combativeness is bull. She said she agreed with much of what you said, but then disagreed with one specific statement you made—that what she called gender inequalities you call biology. You responded:

Originally Posted by honorgal

The irony and hypocrisy of this faux rape crisis are entirely lost on you, I see. It would almost be funny if it didn't involve the actual well being of real young people.

She then asked questions to see if you understood why she disagreed with you, and it was you who got combative.

As for ax grinding, i do have strong opinions on this particular subject, from several different angles. Is that not encouraged?

Of course strong opinions are encouraged. Defending your strong opinions primarily with ad hominem arguments and dismissiveness, however, is not. Back up your strong opinions with good, objective arguments, not simply by writing off those who disagree with you, in whole or only in part, as "the hysteria crowd" or by telling them irony is lost on them. That's not the way to get anyone to take your arguments seriously.

[DrPhil]

Speaking of irony and hypocrisy.

Anyway, Gender Studies 101 rocks and honorgal needs tutorials

[AGDee]

If those statistics are wrong, what are the real ones?

I've read statistics that said 1 in 5 women are raped in their lifetime. In the circle of friends I know well enough to share such information, that statistic seems pretty accurate, if not a little low.

There is a primary and robust emphasis on prevention on a lot of campuses. I don't know what world you live in, but every campus tour we went on emphasized escort services and told young women not to walk alone at night. Columbia/Barnard freshman orientation includes a session about rape, including date rape. I believe it was Lambda Chi Alpha who had a program they did on campuses about date rape at least a decade or more ago. Take Back the Night rallies are held on every campus I know of. You don't think that's a primary and robust emphasis on prevention?