Sigma Alpha Epsilon Announces Historic Change for membership experience

[badgeguy]

Thanks for that. The sad fact is that none of this will stop merely becuase there is no more "pledging".

The fact that these events keep happening over and over again is a societal problem, that stems from the early years on up.... As I've said, hazing is a learned trait....

I've done a ton of historical research into fraternities dating back to the 1700s and there are always going to be problems with fraternities in the eyes of the general public, from those that aren't in the system who understand the greater good that can come from organizations like ours.

The real thing to do would not to eliminate pledging to end hazing, but start a nationwide community service where each fraternity and sorority goes into the high schools of our nation and teach them the negatives of what can happen if they continue with these learned traits, and also show them the good that can come from being in a fraternity or sorority.

Greek letter societies should be foremost about FRIENDSHIPS and the rest will work themselves out. Teaching our youth the true values of what Greek letter orgs stand for should be the priority...

[OneHeartOneWay]

a slight hijack from the hazing conversation, back to the logistical one:

(and obviously if this is treading too close to private member information, no worries): What is SAE's process for proposing bylaws changes at convention? Meaning, I'm sure every organization has some process by which any members in good standing, in the deemed appropriate number, can propose changes to be voted on by the membership at Convention. Has that deadline passed? Or do you anticipate there will be a vote brought forth at Convention 2015 to repeal this decision?

[naraht]

Originally Posted by OneHeartOneWay

a slight hijack from the hazing conversation, back to the logistical one:

(and obviously if this is treading too close to private member information, no worries): What is SAE's process for proposing bylaws changes at convention? Meaning, I'm sure every organization has some process by which any members in good standing, in the deemed appropriate number, can propose changes to be voted on by the membership at Convention. Has that deadline passed? Or do you anticipate there will be a vote brought forth at Convention 2015 to repeal this decision?

The conventions are in summer, so less than 40% of the time from the last convention to the next has taken place. Having the limit on new bylaws already pass seems prohibitive.

On another topic, according to http://www.saesd.org/images/document...er_2013_07.pdf
Since it was known prior to the 2013 convention that Brad Cohen was the only candidate running for Supreme Archon and he lived in Newport Beach, that this mean that the 2015 convention *must* be held in Newport Beach. Is this correct that the convention is held in the city that the current Supreme Archon lives in? And if so, what if someone lives in an area of the country where there is no place to assemble large enough for the convention representatives (say northern Wyoming)

Alpha Phi Omega has gone to the other extreme, the board has basically gone through all of the possible cities looking for hotel or hotel/convention center combinations that are large enough to host (meeting space for 1500, etc) and *only* those cities can be bid, so that for example, the only possible way to have the convention in Virginia would be to have it in the DC Suburbs.

[SAEalumnus]

Originally Posted by naraht

The conventions are in summer, so less than 40% of the time from the last convention to the next has taken place. Having the limit on new bylaws already pass seems prohibitive.

On another topic, according to http://www.saesd.org/images/document...er_2013_07.pdf
Since it was known prior to the 2013 convention that Brad Cohen was the only candidate running for Supreme Archon and he lived in Newport Beach, that this mean that the 2015 convention *must* be held in Newport Beach. Is this correct that the convention is held in the city that the current Supreme Archon lives in? And if so, what if someone lives in an area of the country where there is no place to assemble large enough for the convention representatives (say northern Wyoming)

Alpha Phi Omega has gone to the other extreme, the board has basically gone through all of the possible cities looking for hotel or hotel/convention center combinations that are large enough to host (meeting space for 1500, etc) and *only* those cities can be bid, so that for example, the only possible way to have the convention in Virginia would be to have it in the DC Suburbs.

It "must" be in Newport only because Brad Almighty commands it to be so.

[OneHeartOneWay]

Originally Posted by naraht

The conventions are in summer, so less than 40% of the time from the last convention to the next has taken place. Having the limit on new bylaws already pass seems prohibitive.

yes, yes! When I started typing my question I was thinking Convention was this summer, then realized it was 2015 and didn't think to change that part! Oops!

[SAEalumnus]

Originally Posted by OneHeartOneWay

a slight hijack from the hazing conversation, back to the logistical one:

(and obviously if this is treading too close to private member information, no worries): What is SAE's process for proposing bylaws changes at convention? Meaning, I'm sure every organization has some process by which any members in good standing, in the deemed appropriate number, can propose changes to be voted on by the membership at Convention. Has that deadline passed? Or do you anticipate there will be a vote brought forth at Convention 2015 to repeal this decision?

The deadline for submissions for the 2015 Convention is 15 December 2014. There will definitely be something submitted to that effect, if not already sent in.