Arizona State University - TKE

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

FYP.

Not really. Alcohol and drug abuse, hazing, racial insensitivity, these are all issues--and out of those, only racial insensitivity won't get anyone physically hurt or killed.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

...racial insensitivity won't get anyone physically hurt or killed.

If you believe that then your head is up your ass. What world do you live in?

And the fact that you believe that confirms that the larger issue that needs discussion is racial cluelessness and dumbassness---if the prevalence of these events is of concern rather than merely seeing this as further evidence of Greek Life problems.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

If you believe that then your head is up your ass. What world do you live in?

And the fact that you believe that confirms that the larger issue that needs discussion is racial cluelessness and dumbassness---if the prevalence of these events is of concern rather than merely seeing this as further evidence of Greek Life problems.

One incident or even a few =/= a prevalence.

TKE did something very ill advised, Alpha Delta Phi, Alpha Sigma Phi, Chi Phi, Delta Chi, Delta Kappa Epsilon, Delta Sigma Phi, Delta Tau Delta, Delta Upsilon, Kappa Alpha Order, Kappa Sigma, Lambda Chi Alpha, Omega Delta Phi, Phi Gamma Delta (FIJI), Pi Kappa Alpha, Pi Kappa Phi Sigma Alpha Mu, Sigma Chi, Sigma Phi Beta, Sigma Phi Epsilon, Sigma Tau Gamma, Theta Chi, Theta Delta Chi and Zeta Beta Tau did no such thing.

You've got to keep things in perspective.

And in other news, ASU has severed ties with TKE, but it appears the TKE chapter will stay at ASU and just be undergroundish, no university support, but full support from the home office.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

One incident or even a few =/= a prevalence.

Has there only been one "or even a few" of these incidents across the country in the past 5 years?

Incidents are examined in prevalence when there is a pattern of occurrence. It is easy to predict and detect racially themed parties with and without social media. Even a Greekchat search for "racially themed patterns" reveals how these parties are more common than they should be and that includes MLK parties.

Originally Posted by Kevin

TKE did something very ill advised, Alpha Delta Phi, Alpha Sigma Phi, Chi Phi, Delta Chi, Delta Kappa Epsilon, Delta Sigma Phi, Delta Tau Delta, Delta Upsilon, Kappa Alpha Order, Kappa Sigma, Lambda Chi Alpha, Omega Delta Phi, Phi Gamma Delta (FIJI), Pi Kappa Alpha, Pi Kappa Phi Sigma Alpha Mu, Sigma Chi, Sigma Phi Beta, Sigma Phi Epsilon, Sigma Tau Gamma, Theta Chi, Theta Delta Chi and Zeta Beta Tau did no such thing.

TKE is not the only fraternity (or white people in general) across the country that has done one of these parties.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Has there only been one "or even a few" of these incidents across the country in the past 5 years?

Incidents are examined in prevalence when there is a pattern of occurrence. It is easy to predict and detect racially themed parties with and without social media. Even a Greekchat search for "racially themed patterns" reveals how these parties are more common than they should be and that includes MLK parties.



TKE is not the only fraternity (or white people in general) across the country that has done one of these parties.

I think if you want to know why this continues to occur, look at the comment section of the USA Today article about ASU shuttering the chapter. There are many racist people commenting that feel justified due to one or another slight that they list. I'll call their complaints "reverse racism" as it's what they used to lump all those complaints under. Anyway, some fraternities have always liked to push the taste edge to purposefully be controversial. Apparently they have found this to be very successful in that endeavor. TKE at ASU did a bang up job at it and some of their students may even get expelled. Actions have consequences.

[DrPhil]

Is it the newest USA Today article or the one from 2 days ago?

The newest:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...party/4811083/

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Has there only been one "or even a few" of these incidents across the country in the past 5 years?

Incidents are examined in prevalence when there is a pattern of occurrence. It is easy to predict and detect racially themed parties with and without social media. Even a Greekchat search for "racially themed patterns" reveals how these parties are more common than they should be and that includes MLK parties.

So it happens. So does hazing, every national organization forbids that. We also organizationally prohibit underage drinking. Obviously, the number of these parties occurring annually is zero. Obviously, we're going to fail every year as a society to get 100% of what we want. These things will happen and when members are caught, it's fair to judge the organizations by how they handle things.

TKE is not the only fraternity (or white people in general) across the country that has done one of these parties.

Not at all and it's going to continue to happen because I don't care how many classes you have on racial sensitivity, you're dealing with an age group which does impulsive, stupid things--and that's just simple biology.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

So it happens. Obviously, we're going to fail every year as a society to get 100% of what we want.

Congrats on solving the puzzle. What would the world do without you. You have won the White Privilege Award for the day.

Originally Posted by Kevin

and that's just simple biology.

No.

[Tom Earp]

What is it with ASU and Greeks?

Something in the air or a bunch of lemmings who just follow along to jump over the cliff trying to out do each other in stupidity??

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Congrats on solving the puzzle. What would the world do without you. You have won the White Privilege Award for the day.

Good thing I keep a siggy ready for just this thing!

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Congrats on solving the puzzle. What would the world do without you. You have won the White Privilege Award for the day.

This isn't only about race. Not everything is only about race.

[Lovethesand]

Originally Posted by Kevin

And in other news, ASU has severed ties with TKE, but it appears the TKE chapter will stay at ASU and just be undergroundish, no university support, but full support from the home office.

I read this and just one question: WHY does the home office continue to support this chapter?