Indiana University 2014 Recruitment

[IUHoosiergirl88]

Originally Posted by Mom64

How strict are the chapter's GPA requirements? My daughter knows a few PNMs who do not have the minimum GPA requirement set by houses they have been invited back to today. Why invite them back when others with the required GPA have been cut?

GPA requirements are strict--the PNMs your D knows may have a higher GPA than she thinks. Rarely, rarely, rarely will someone like a strong legacy or total superstar make it through to bid day with a GPA below requirements

[Mom64]

Originally Posted by IUHoosiergirl88

GPA requirements are strict--the PNMs your D knows may have a higher GPA than she thinks. Rarely, rarely, rarely will someone like a strong legacy or total superstar make it through to bid day with a GPA below requirements

No, she is absolutely sure of at least one of the PNM's GPAs as they completed their bid cards together.

[cinder1965]

Originally Posted by Sigmapsimom

Thank you. I wish it was different. Lamenting isn't the right word. I am angry at a system that intentionally disenfranchises hundreds of girls. I was upset and concerned about it even before recruitment, but yes now it's personal unfortunately, so I am seeing the damage done first hand.

I can't really compare my experience with the IU unhoused sororities because we did live together on campus. It wasn't a traditional house, but we were together on our dorm floor, were given chapter rooms and decorating freedom by our university. Being together was essential to the experience. It was also the norm on my campus. Each campus is unique.

So you're right in a sense that it's not the "house" that makes the sorority close, but having that common place to go to and hang out, day after day, whether it be in a house or a dorm is a good thing.

I am so sorry for your daughter......it makes me very sad. I went through IU rush last year with my step daughter and it was brutal....she ended up very happy in the house she wanted but I have emphasized to her as much as possible how fortunate she was.....

[Sigmapsimom]

Originally Posted by cinder1965

I am so sorry for your daughter......it makes me very sad. I went through IU rush last year with my step daughter and it was brutal....she ended up very happy in the house she wanted but I have emphasized to her as much as possible how fortunate she was.....

Thank you for your sentiment.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by Sigmapsimom

I can't really compare my experience with the IU unhoused sororities because we did live together on campus. It wasn't a traditional house, but we were together on our dorm floor, were given chapter rooms and decorating freedom by our university. Being together was essential to the experience. It was also the norm on my campus. Each campus is unique.

So you're right in a sense that it's not the "house" that makes the sorority close, but having that common place to go to and hang out, day after day, whether it be in a house or a dorm is a good thing.

The school that I went to didn't have chapter houses. However, we had an "unofficial house" off campus where we always had at least 4 girls living, and anyone could go in and out. We also had an apartment on campus with the same set-up.

I know this stings right now, but if your daughter ends up in an unhoused chapter, it won't be the end of the world. The sisters will find ways to hang out with each other (and probably already have). Life is full of disappointments and if your daughter's only disappointment is that she won't live in a sorority house, things could be worse.

What she should focus on is whether or not she wants to be a part of a sisterhood. If not having a house is a deal breaker for her, then that's her decision and hers alone to make. But she needs to keep in mind that she may lose out on a lifetime of sisterhood because she couldn't live in a sorority house for 2-3 years. Try to keep her looking at the big picture.

Again, I know that's difficult now. But this is actually a much bigger decision than she may realize. She should take all the time she's been given to make it.

I feel for you all! And the situation sucks… but it is what it is.

[IUALUM]

As an IU alum who went through this painful process years ago and did not receive a bid, my heart goes out to all the girls today who are incredibly disappointed. But it does not define you! After my rejection I can still say I had a great IU experience with both girls in and out of houses. I know that may not help you today, but it will get better. Now fast forward to 2014 IU rush and now my daughter is going through it. I have dreaded this day ever since she decided to attend IU. I was very open with my story and tried to prepare her for utter disappointment. As moms know its better to handle our own disappointment than our children's. She kept an open mind and knew it would take mostly "luck" to get a bid. We have had cuts accompanied with lots of tears, but she is a better person from the experience. She still has some options but we know it is not over yet. I would encourage any girl that really wants to be in a house to pursue the new colony option….and do not dismiss any sorority because it doesn't have a house. Any chapter is as good as the girls in it….and each and every chapter has some great members. And don't forget all those great fellow students that are not part of the greek system. For all those girls feeling completely rejected today, cry, eat chocolate, cry some more and then move on. Life at IU is a lot more than Greek Life!

[irishpipes]

Was a weather delay really completely out of the realm of consideration? This is INDIANA, the upper Midwest, in January.

And no offense to IU grads and fans, but why is it so much more important for you to cut for grades than every other NPC system? Too many PNMs? Talk to your friends at Alabama.

As for not wanting a system where members can't live in house the entire time, we don't always get what we want. Ask the hundreds of PNMs who don't have a chance to live in EVER because they are denied membership. Every other housed NPC system makes this work. You will adjust.

Generally I am a proponent of self-governance, but IU is out of control.

[cinder1965]

Originally Posted by IUALUM

As an IU alum who went through this painful process years ago and did not receive a bid, my heart goes out to all the girls today who are incredibly disappointed. But it does not define you! After my rejection I can still say I had a great IU experience with both girls in and out of houses. I know that may not help you today, but it will get better. Now fast forward to 2014 IU rush and now my daughter is going through it. I have dreaded this day ever since she decided to attend IU. I was very open with my story and tried to prepare her for utter disappointment. As moms know its better to handle our own disappointment than our children's. She kept an open mind and knew it would take mostly "luck" to get a bid. We have had cuts accompanied with lots of tears, but she is a better person from the experience. She still has some options but we know it is not over yet. I would encourage any girl that really wants to be in a house to pursue the new colony option….and do not dismiss any sorority because it doesn't have a house. Any chapter is as good as the girls in it….and each and every chapter has some great members. And don't forget all those great fellow students that are not part of the greek system. For all those girls feeling completely rejected today, cry, eat chocolate, cry some more and then move on. Life at IU is a lot more than Greek Life!

What a thoughtful and true post. Your daughter is lucky to have you as her counselor. I so hope she finds her place, wherever that may be.

[cinder1965]

Generally I am a proponent of self-governance, but IU is out of control.[/QUOTE]


I couldn't agree more....

[Sciencewoman]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

Was a weather delay really completely out of the realm of consideration? This is INDIANA, the upper Midwest, in January.

And no offense to IU grads and fans, but why is it so much more important for you to cut for grades than every other NPC system? Too many PNMs? Talk to your friends at Alabama.

As for not wanting a system where members can't live in house the entire time, we don't always get what we want. Ask the hundreds of PNMs who don't have a chance to live in EVER because they are denied membership. Every other housed NPC system makes this work. You will adjust.

Generally I am a proponent of self-governance, but IU is out of control.

Preach!

[pinksequins]

Just rejoining and starting to catch up. Amen, Carnation !

[pinksequins]

And as I continue to read, Amen Cinder1965! By fourth year, many women are interested in growing a bit more before graduation, and that is partly what a sorority enables one to do. You can still be engaged, even take meals at the house without living in. It just sounds a bit cloistered to mandate all four years living in.

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

Was a weather delay really completely out of the realm of consideration? This is INDIANA, the upper Midwest, in January.

And no offense to IU grads and fans, but why is it so much more important for you to cut for grades than every other NPC system? Too many PNMs? Talk to your friends at Alabama.

As for not wanting a system where members can't live in house the entire time, we don't always get what we want. Ask the hundreds of PNMs who don't have a chance to live in EVER because they are denied membership. Every other housed NPC system makes this work. You will adjust.

Generally I am a proponent of self-governance, but IU is out of control.

Great post IP! Yet I am going a step further here. As an IU alumna amd a former recruitment supervisor on amother campus, I saw first hand how crazy the IU process can be. I wish it was different, but as I said earlier it is up to the collegiate panhel to vote in any changes.

You have to remember that the women voting are 19-22 year old survivors of these Greek Hunger Games. Since we've been using the analogy and author Suzanne Collins is an IU alumna (not Greek) I am going to roll with it. These women don't IU as being dysfunctional because it's all they know. Just like all the district residents, they didn't know anything differrnt.

Now these Greek Humger Games survivors have advisors. But unless Haymitch stands up and gives better advice to the tributes, we are at a stalemate. If the Haymitches from the various districts don't educate and train their own, these women won't see why cjange might be good. How many of the orgs are going to stand up for change...when will the idea of change catch fire?

[cinder1965]

Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap

Great post IP! Yet I am going a step further here. As an IU alumna amd a former recruitment supervisor on amother campus, I saw first hand how crazy the IU process can be. I wish it was different, but as I said earlier it is up to the collegiate panhel to vote in any changes.

You have to remember that the women voting are 19-22 year old survivors of these Greek Hunger Games. Since we've been using the analogy and author Suzanne Collins is an IU alumna (not Greek) I am going to roll with it. These women don't IU as being dysfunctional because it's all they know. Just like all the district residents, they didn't know anything differrnt.

Now these Greek Humger Games survivors have advisors. But unless Haymitch stands up and gives better advice to the tributes, we are at a stalemate. If the Haymitches from the various districts don't educate and train their own, these women won't see why cjange might be good. How many of the orgs are going to stand up for change...when will the idea of change catch fire?

Here here, my SK sista! I am raising my two fingers in the air in solidarity with you....but I can't be a Haymitch since I don't advise at IU.

[pinksequins]

And finally, hooray Irishpipes! So help me I am envisoning everywhere else making the leap from DVDs to streaming video, and IU is still trying to make the Betamax work!