Diversity in the SEC

[amIblue?]

Hate to burst your bubble, Nyapbp, but I have met white NPHC members.

[nyapbp]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

Hate to burst your bubble, Nyapbp, but I have met white NPHC members.

Yes, I know there have been a few, Eleanor Roosevelt for one. But the NPHC Alumnae chapters in my area do not have white members in them.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by nyapbp

Yes, I know there have been a few, Eleanor Roosevelt for one. But the NPHC Alumnae chapters in my area do not have white members in them.

Please do not cite her as the white NPHCer. LOL. Her membership was different.

Those alumnae chapters do not have white members because all whites who attend chapter service events are rejected? All whites who attend membership informationals are rejected? All white applicants are rejected? Please explain.

It is probably that they do not have white (beyond maybe a couple white people) interest in programs and membership. Many BGLOs tend not to recruit and many BGLOs tend to see no overwhelming need to pursue racial and ethnic diversity.

ETA: Delta has a relative small amount of white Sorors around the world. I only recall meeting a couple white Sorors over the years. There was only an issue if the white Sorors tried too hard to "be down." Not every white Soror attempts this but I shall explain. Trying to speak Black English or excessive slang with a "Black accent" does not go over well with some of us. Trying to reference hip hop or songs by Black artists that some of us don't even listen to can also be annoying. Some of us find that annoying because as Blacks many of us do not sit around talking about "Black song and dance" 24/7. Blacks don't all listen to certain songs and dance. And we have a rich history of African diaspora intellectuals and Black intellectuals whose brains spanned beyond dancing, slang, and music. I met one white Soror many years ago who thought she could nonstop speak slang and discuss rap or R&B among Black women with terminal degrees and very successful careers. It was insulting and quite hilarious. That white Soror learned over the years to just relax, be herself, and let her coolness, hard work, and respect for the Sisterhood shape the outcome. She also learned that Blackness includes brains and we know about far more than we are stereotyped as knowing. We are not ignoring that she is a white woman who is our Soror. There is no reason to ignore that. We simply do not use that as a negative.

If SEC wants more diversity, they should think about these types of things.

[carnation]

This is all ridiculous. You aren't going to change most minds here and we aren't going to change yours so discussion seems pointless.

[HQWest]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Please do not cite her as the white NPHCer. LOL. Her membership was different.

Those alumnae chapters do not have white members because all whites who attend chapter service events are rejected? All whites who attend membership informationals are rejected? All white applicants are rejected? Please explain.

It is probably that they do not have white (beyond maybe a couple white people) interest in programs and membership. Many BGLOs tend not to recruit and many BGLOs tend to see no overwhelming need to pursue racial and ethnic diversity.

If SEC wants more diversity, they should think about these types of things.

Yes, BGLOs do not have open recruitment. Intake still goes by invitation only, making it much more difficult for first generation or out of state college students or a "friend of a friend" to apply. That does not mean they do not recruit. In my area, BGLO members and alumna start talking to young eligible women about opportunities in college and intake very early. I am not talking about mothers talking to their legacies, but active recruiting of talented high school women. I can appreciate their desire to mentor young women to strive to achieve and pursue graduate and professional programs, but they also actively discourage women from pursuing NPC or MCGLO membership (or D9 membership in groups other than their own).

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by HQWest

Yes, BGLOs do not have open recruitment. Intake still goes by invitation only, making it much more difficult for first generation or out of state college students or a "friend of a friend" to apply. That does not mean they do not recruit. In my area, BGLO members and alumna start talking to young eligible women about opportunities in college and intake very early. I am not talking about mothers talking to their legacies, but active recruiting of talented high school women. I can appreciate their desire to mentor young women to strive to achieve and pursue graduate and professional programs, but they also actively discourage women from pursuing NPC or MCGLO membership (or D9 membership in groups other than their own).

We do not exist in silence and with no outreach. We reach out to people which is also why we are so visible in the communities. When we say we do not recruit, we are saying that for a reason. That reason includes letting people know the difference between an informational and recruitment; and the difference between individuals and chapters talking to people versus what our official entities encourage. Our official entities do not encourage discouraging people from pursuing other GLOs or pushing people to be aspirants and applicants. Talking to people about our GLOs is not the same as pushing people one way or another. The information and decision must ultimately be up to the person. It has always been the case that some people and chapters do not realize that.

More importantly, your post was responding to a post about a white person who claims to really want to be in an NPHC sorority. Bring it back to the purpose behind my post.

[HQWest]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

We do not exist in silence and with no outreach. We reach out to people which is also why we are so visible in the communities. When we say we do not recruit, we are saying that for a reason. That reason includes letting people know the difference between an informational and recruitment; and the difference between individuals and chapters talking to people versus what our official entities encourage. Our official entities do not encourage discouraging people from pursuing other GLOs or pushing people to be aspirants and applicants. Talking to people about our GLOs is not the same as pushing people one way or another. The information and decision must ultimately be up to the person.

More importantly, your post was responding to a post about a white person who claims to really want to be in an NPHC sorority. Bring it back to the purpose behind my post.

I can respond to any point I find within your statement regardless of your intended purpose.

My response was directed to your assertion of what NPC groups (or universities) could do to encourage diversity. I have always admired the D9 and their active participation beyond college, and I feel that it is very important to encourage mentoring of high school students especially those who might not have a parent that went to college. What confuses me is taking that mentoring role to dissuade someone from accepting a scholarship to a non-HBCU or to deride someone who is interested in a MCGLO. As an NPC member, I would not things that are negative about other groups to a PNM as it tends to make the whole system look bad.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by HQWest

I can respond to any point I find within your statement regardless of your intended purpose.

Of course. I was making sure you understood the purpose. Cool.

Originally Posted by HQWest

My response was directed to your assertion of what NPC groups (or universities) could do to encourage diversity.

What was my assertion?

I tend to dislike "encouraging diversity" because humans are lazy and like quick and visible fixes.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Please do not cite her as the white NPHCer. LOL. Her membership was different.

If SEC wants more diversity, they should think about these types of things.

LOL. People claim Eleanor Roosevelt like she was setting it off on the yard.

There was a white Delta on GC for a while.

I don't think the SEC wants more diversity as a goal. I remember seeing black rushees at UF back in the early 90s. This was before the boom in attendance due to the National Championships and Bright Futures, but back then they were relegated to a few "bottom-tier" chapters. I suspected even then that they were more interested in being NPC than adding diversity to their chapters, LOL.

[LXA SE285]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

LOL. People claim Eleanor Roosevelt like she was setting it off on the yard.

"One's milkshake brings all the boys to the yard. One would teach you, but one would have to charge."

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

LOL. People claim Eleanor Roosevelt like she was setting it off on the yard.

There was a white Delta on GC for a while.

I don't think the SEC wants more diversity as a goal. I remember seeing black rushees at UF back in the early 90s. This was before the boom in attendance due to the National Championships and Bright Futures, but back then they were relegated to a few "bottom-tier" chapters. I suspected even then that they were more interested in being NPC than adding diversity to their chapters, LOL.

LOL. Roosevelt was doing hand signs by the plot.

Are you saying there is a larger goal?

Originally Posted by LXA SE285

"One's milkshake brings all the boys to the yard. One would teach you, but one would have to charge."

This thread has come full circle. You win. LOL.

Eleanor Roosevelt's facial expression says "you want to be down with MY sorority?! Kick my greeting! Now go feed the homeless miners! Do what you feel in your heart to be right--for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't."