The Murder of Trayvon Martin

[Phrozen Sands]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

But, that has little to nothing to do with the 911 Dispatcher.




That is the debate. Zimmerman's defense used self-defense rather than Stand Your Ground. I think Zimmerman's scars looked like a perhaps much deserved ass kicking. However, in a court of law evidence outweighs theory and personal opinions. Prosecution had more theory and opinions and the defense had more solid evidence (including stronger expert opinions).



All trials are an act, regardless of the verdict and whether we individually agree with the verdict. And regardless of the gender, socioeconomic, racial and ethnic, and other dynamics that serve as extralegal factors (that are technically supposed to be ignored or outweighed by legal factors).

However, I think people who are using this truth to protest the Zimmerman verdict need to find a stronger argument. They need to find something that specifically pertains to the Zimmerman trial lest we are protesting every trial--Casey Anthony, O.J. Simpson, Jodi Arias, etc.

Makes sense. They really need to do-away with that law.

Originally Posted by Kevin

This.

Or maybe there needs to be a refined message as to what exactly is outrageous about the verdict. There's still a lot of uncertainty as to exactly what happened, and when that happens, we're not supposed to lock people up (although we do it all the time).

We do it all the time to those "criminals" who don't have the resources to keep from being locked up.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

Makes sense. They really need to do-away with that law.

(ETA: The defense did not use Stand Your Ground during the trial but this has arguably been a convenient combination of self-defense and Stand Your Ground. People use self-defense when convenient and Stand Your Ground when convenient. Some people have attached a duty to retreat to Martin and some people have attached it to Zimmerman. Some people say Martin should have gone home, some people say Zimmerman should have stayed his gun toting ass in the car. Ignoring the duty to retreat for self-defense, Martin or Zimmerman then had the right to Stand Their Ground.)

I agree but Stand Your Ground is gaining momentum. As long as we have the NRA and gun rights lobbyists, we will have Stand Your Ground. As long as we have people (predominantly whites) who are being told that society is being overtaken by violent criminals (disproportionately Black and Hispanic), we will have Stand Your Ground. As long as we have states passing laws allowing concealed weapons in bars, theaters, restaurants, and some K-12 and college classrooms we will have Stand Your Ground.

I still say all of the above would be axed if it was racial and ethnic minorities and people lower socioeconomic status who were pushing for gun rights and Stand Your Ground. Gun buyback programs in inner cities do not care whether those law abiding citizens who sell their guns are "standing their ground."

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

We do it all the time to those "criminals" who don't have the resources to keep from being locked up.

True and this continues to be researched and protested. People know the difference between protesting a specific trial and protesting a general message. There is a difference between filing a civil suit and arguing a civil rights violation. The Zimmerman trial probably ended how it should have ended based on the circumstances.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

We do it all the time to those "criminals" who don't have the resources to keep from being locked up.

You'll get no argument from me there. It's a real shame how our criminal justice system works sometimes. In Oklahoma, if you can afford to post bail, they believe you can hire an attorney--a total ridiculous fiction.

And of course, if you can't post bail, our lovely county facility is so overcrowded that the cells are on 24/7 lockdown, 4 to a cell. If we kept POWs in the Oklahoma County Jail, we'd be violating the Geneva Convention.

[Mizeree I2K]

Originally Posted by Phrozen Sands

Makes sense.

None of it makes sense, because it's bullshit! Zimmerman shot Martin for no reason other than to fuck with a young black kid who he thought fit the stereotype of a thug. When the police showed up, Zimmerman was standing there with a dead body and a gun. The police questioned him, he explained what happened, and then they let his fat ass go.

If the police would have showed up and Martin was holding a gun with Zimmerman on the ground dead, they would have hauled his ass to jail. And if he asked if he could explain what happened, they would have said explain it to the judge. And before anybody pulls the word "Possibly" out of his or her ass, you know damn well what the outcome would have been. But this is the racist ass country we live in.

[badgeguy]

Originally Posted by Mizeree I2K

None of it makes sense, because it's bullshit! Zimmerman shot Martin for no reason other than to fuck with a young black kid who he thought fit the stereotype of a thug. When the police showed up, Zimmerman was standing there with a dead body and a gun. The police questioned him, he explained what happened, and then they let his fat ass go.

If the police would have showed up and Martin was holding a gun with Zimmerman on the ground dead, they would have hauled his ass to jail. And if he asked if he could explain what happened, they would have said explain it to the judge. And before anybody pulls the word "Possibly" out of his or her ass, you know damn well what the outcome would have been. But this is the racist ass country we live in.

Is the horse dead yet!?!

First off, you seem to be blatantly ignoring the fact that there was a fight between the two.....and at the time of the incident Zimmerman was not fat...but rather seemingly fit.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by badgeguy

Is the horse dead yet!?!

Alanis.

Originally Posted by badgeguy

.....and at the time of the incident Zimmerman was not fat...but rather seemingly fit.

Morissette.

Pardon me if none of the above is your own opinion.