Paula Deen's use of the "N"-Word

[Kevin]

I'm just alluding to the distinction between racial and cultural, somethings many here are apparently conflating.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I'm just alluding to the distinction between racial and cultural, somethings many here are apparently conflating.

Culture exists in every group dynamic. It exists in religion, race and ethnicity, language, gender, and other groups. When discussing race and ethnicity, culture is highly correlated and therefore will be discussed in the same vein--even when there is intragroup diversity in cultures. Culture is extended when addressing language patterns and other things that lead to intragroup and intergroup dynamics.

Black American Culture is directly linked to the religious, linguistic, racial, and ethnic components (including varying physical identifiability) of what it means to be Black American/African American and of the more immediate African Diaspora.

Still, people of the African Diaspora do not want or need tips on this topic. Just like people of white diaspora do not care about the opinion of nonwhites when it comes to their group identities and dynamics.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Talk about overplayed. There is black on white hate crime as well.

You can't judge an entire society by what a few redneck thugs decided to do. It's as unreasonable to judge our culture by what happened to James Byrd as it would be for me to judge any other culture by the actions of a few of its miscreants.

Coming from the legal field, you know that most crimes are intraracial. Interracial crimes are much less common. The motivation on the part of the offender is what distinguishes generally motivated offenders from hate crimes. Black-on-white crime is much less likely to be declared a hate crime because the motivation and opportunity for criminality are considered different. Racial and ethnic minorities who hate whites and are compelled to violence towards whites would have a very difficult life in white dominated societies. Instead, racial and ethnic minorities who are motivated to commit crime on the basis of racial, ethnic, and cultural hatred are more likely to victimize other racial and ethnic minorities (i.e., more attention given to Black-on-Asian violence).

I do not use (what I consider to be) racial slurs like "redneck" (or "white trash", etc.) but of course whites are free to call each other whatever they choose. I don't think knight_shadow or anyone else in this thread was judging whites by what James Byrd or other individual whites have done over the centuries. This is a general discussion about dynamics that span beyond individuals.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Still, people of the African Diaspora do not want or need tips on this topic. Just like people of white diaspora do not care about the opinion of nonwhites when it comes to their group identities and dynamics.

You speak for everyone, huh?

True or not? Assimilation into the majority culture has ended better for those who have done it than for folks who reject it. Economically speaking, how is it going to benefit a person to have the sort of awful victim mentality that folks like Andre Turner seem to display? That's quite a bit of contempt he seems to harbor for a bunch of white folks who individually bear no responsibility for the world they were born into, same as everyone else.

Okay then, what's your solution to all of this? I've heard plenty of gritching, but not a lot of proposals on how to make it all better.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

You speak for everyone, huh?

It is called a general statement but, since you insist, I will also speak for every person of the more immediate African diaspora. My "speaking for everyone" in this instance is much better than you using white male privilege to teach Black Americans about themselves. LOL.

Originally Posted by Kevin

True or not? Assimilation into the majority culture has ended better for those who have done it than for folks who reject it.

FALSE. But, I knew that you believed this and would dig yourself in this hole.

Unfortunately, there are plenty of nonwhites around the world who believe that whites saved nonwhites. The nonwhites who believe this are a result of acculturation and assimilation (by force and by choice). After you (in general) finish convincing people that their group should be under your control, you then have to prove to them that their way of life is moot and they are being blessed by God to be given your resources--but only the resources that you want to bestow upon them. For clarity's sake, none of this is biological or inherent. Whites are not evil. Whites are not inherently, biologically, psychologically, or socially (insert bad thing). History and power dynamics just worked as they worked for various reasons and every institution (including religion) is still used to reinforce this. That includes whites who believe as Kevin does.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Okay then, what's your solution to all of this? I've heard plenty of gritching, but not a lot of proposals on how to make it all better.

Loving tone/

We do not need "a solution" and I do not need "my solution" as though this GC thread is Cliff Notes. This is not gritching. This is a GC thread. I would love for you to go to other GC threads and tell those posters to "make a decision or shut up." Social change is a daily, ongoing process and it does not happen in a GC thread just because Kevin demands results. I deal with these topics and other social outcomes everyday in my personal and professional environments so I respectfully ask that you kiss my ass and stop doing the white male privilege routine. You are not in charge and your impatience does not determine the outcomes.

/ Loving tone

(smiley face added because this thread is not about hatred or anger)