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04-20-2013, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by TriDeltaSallie
When sorority life reaches the point where a letter like this is considered appropriate for any chapter's culture, I will no longer identify myself as a sorority woman or encourage any woman to join a sorority.
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I agree. Stuff like this is why some people dislike Greeks.
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04-20-2013, 08:05 PM
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When I was an Active, we had a brother who was exactly like this. This would be exactly how he would try and get a point across if he was frustrated by the actives lack of effort. He always got things done though, and it was just widely accepted that when he got a little too excited this is how he would act. It was part of his character, and his character is what added to our chapter. So despite everything, we loved him. Pretty sure this happens in chapters everywhere. Of course it never occurred during chapter meetings, but in informal settings, such as texts, I think it is fine. What isn't fine is that it got leaked. This is how she talked to her SISTERS. Some of the closest people in her life, theoretically. Shouldn't have to be censored when you're with family.
It was intended for her sisters, and not for anyone else. I believe it should be read that way.
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04-20-2013, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Woof
This is how she talked to her SISTERS. Some of the closest people in her life, theoretically. Shouldn't have to be censored when you're with family.
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Seriously? You would ask your biological sister, cousins... or your mother if they were retarded or threaten to "cunt punt" them?
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04-20-2013, 09:08 PM
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Any family member who talked like that to me once wouldn't get a chance to do it a second time.
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04-20-2013, 09:35 PM
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Yea, I'm amazed at the acceptance level for this....the "awe ain't that hilarious"? attitude. I'm not a pearl clutcher but this isn't how you talk to sisters, enemies or anyone. Taken with the abysmal party theme at IU, it's a bad PR week for sororities and the girls have no one to blame but themselves. I know that at least one national is taking their situation very seriously.
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04-20-2013, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by thetalady
Seriously? You would ask your biological sister, cousins... or your mother if they were retarded or threaten to "cunt punt" them?
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Maybe, it's different when you're in a Fraternity. It seems that for the most part sorority members are the ones that are most appalled by this. But I have definitely heard the phrases, "Are you f*n retarded, don't make me kick you in the balls". And no one has ever thought twice about it because no one takes it as a real threat.
I'm sure I'll have a bunch of fraternity members disagreeing with me now, but my point is, that it happens, and I personally would never be offended if I received a text like this from one of my fraternity brothers.
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04-20-2013, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Low C Sharp
The problem isn't the profanity, it's the hostility. I swear around my family. I do not swear AT them. I might say to my sister, "I hate my f-ing stupid boss!" But I better not scream at her, "ARE YOU F-ING STUPID?!!" That's just hateful.
I guess I could see saying something like that in your first moments of shock and horror after your family member totaled your new car or ran over your dog. Otherwise, hell no, and I'm sorry for you if that is acceptable in your family.
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Fraternity brothers are my family AND my best friends. There are some things I wouldn't say to my biological brother, but would not hesitate to say to my fraternity brothers, because they are in fact my best friends. And that's what I was trying to get at. And that's what I meant by the fact that they should not have to censor around family. And with all due respect, I don't think you should feel 'sorry' for me even if that is acceptable in my [fraternity] family.
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04-21-2013, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Sister Havana
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My sorority. SO not cool.
National Kappa Delta issued a public statement, and it is being Dealt With.
http://www.kappadelta.org/assets/128...?1366400598692
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04-21-2013, 06:40 PM
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IMHO, if you can't express yourself without massive amounts of profanity, you're poorly educated and stupid.
A few well-chosen swear words, used at the appropriate times, are way more effective than a carpet bombing.
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04-21-2013, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by adpiucf
The "culture" of their chapter? Really? It is NEVER acceptable for anyone to talk to another human being this way. NEVER.
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Agreed! It's not acceptable to talk to your sisters that way. Ever. I understand the writer's frustrations, but there are much better ways to go about it than how she did it AND her response with members may have been better as well. I'm sure she is not the only one in the chapter that has the same feelings.
I don't know all of the facts, BUT as an advisor, I'd probably make the recommendation that both the member who wrote this and especially the member who leaked it resign their membership. Based on what the member wrote/went about it in her email, I have a hunch she's had other problems within the chapter and this is not a first time screw up. Just my opinion.
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04-21-2013, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by amIblue?
There is not an NPC organization that will deem this as an acceptable culture for any of their chapters. Period. As typical, you're conflating what you know of your fraternity life with sorority experience. It's apples and oranges.
The issues dealing with participation and enthusiasm for chapter events that the woman was trying to address are not unusual for chapters of sororities anywhere. If the only way that a leader can motivate others is to curse at them, call them names, and generally be derogatory, then the wrong person has been given a leadership role.
This ended no issues; it only made existing issues exponentially worse. I don't believe this girl's life is ruined in any shape or form. However, she has no one to blame for any repercussions she may experience but herself. She could have effectively expressed the same sentiments in other effective ways.
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Absolutely!!
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04-21-2013, 08:03 PM
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"If you can't express yourself without massive amounts of profanity, you're poorly educated and stupid."
I completely agree with this! I hate that prospective PNMs might have come across this letter. But I hate even more that their parents are seeing it, and if they have no experience with Greek life themselves, this is the image they now have. I don't care if this is the vernacular that everyone expects college students to use. If it's okay for a person in leadership to use this language and say these things to her SISTERS, where do we finally draw the line?
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04-22-2013, 10:25 AM
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From Delta Gamma FB page:
Delta Gamma Fraternity
You may have either read or heard about the inappropriate email written by one of our Collegiate members that was laced with profanity and directed toward her fellow sisters. While this is not reflective of this chapter or this Fraternity, many gossip sites have published it, shared it and gotten thousands of comments on it.
We want to make it clear that this letter in no way reflects the values of Delta Gamma as an International Fraternity or our chapter at the University of Maryland. The processes by which Delta Gamma handles member discipline are confidential, but we have a team of women working with the chapter to take all appropriate action including protecting, educating and supporting the chapter members in the aftermath of this event.
We appreciate all the notes of support, encouragement and offers to help as we work together to foster high ideals of friendship, to promote educational and cultural interests, create a true sense of social responsibility, develop the best qualities of character and to uphold and enforce our values.
Laurie Petrucce Roselle, President
Colleen McGuire, Executive Director
I'm sure they'd all like to know who shared the email with others.
A couple of years ago an email got released from a sorority at Arkansas State University where a sister told underage members how to get around the drinking age id request at their formal. Many years ago an email from a chapter at University of Missouri got out where the sister told members to lie about being sick or having gotten a recent tattoo, because they wanted the members to donate blood to win points for Greek Week.
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04-22-2013, 03:39 PM
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04-22-2013, 05:01 PM
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Here is a dramatic reading and critical commentary with additional references to her tweeting history.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=w6IOdVvkLns
I think I would change my name and go finish my degree in a study abroad program if it were me.
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