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Old 04-19-2013, 02:10 PM
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Yes, clearly the standards committee should be focused on the one who leaked it.
Honestly yes. Just because there is a strongly worded letter like Kevin said you don't know what is acceptable for their culture. I can see this being an acceptable form of critique for a group of college aged girls. Sometimes you need to yell and scream at people to get them to do things. This was strongly worded indeed, but I'm sure it got the message across and ended whatever issues there were. The person who leaked it however ruined this girls life (more so that is was). Ruining someones life is quite a bid deal IMO.
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Old 04-19-2013, 03:28 PM
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EVERY chapter of every GLO has dirty laundry.

There are mechanisms to deal with it like Standards.

What you never do is air your dirty laundry (unless it's something your'e required to do by HQ rules, the law, etc.)
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Honestly yes. Just because there is a strongly worded letter like Kevin said you don't know what is acceptable for their culture. I can see this being an acceptable form of critique for a group of college aged girls. Sometimes you need to yell and scream at people to get them to do things. This was strongly worded indeed, but I'm sure it got the message across and ended whatever issues there were. The person who leaked it however ruined this girls life (more so that is was). Ruining someones life is quite a bid deal IMO.
The "culture" of their chapter? Really? It is NEVER acceptable for anyone to talk to another human being this way. NEVER. I'm not too worried about this vapid and shallow little girl's life being ruined. Something tells me she will be fine after this period of humiliation dies down and will go on being her obnoxious and important self.

No one should air dirty laundry, but it is highly unlikely that anyone from the chapter forwarded this email to the press.
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Old 04-19-2013, 03:38 PM
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The "culture" of their chapter? Really? It is NEVER acceptable for anyone to talk to another human being this way. NEVER. I'm not too worried about this vapid and shallow little girl's life being ruined. Something tells me she will be fine after this period of humiliation dies down and will go on being her obnoxious and important self.
You seem to not deal with the same collegians many of us deal with. Language like this doesn't occur on our FB group and certainly wouldn't be condoned, but if it happened, I'd probably want to give the writer a high 5 for some awesomely hilarious writing (because it really is funny as hell), but we'd have a discussion about how social media is forever and things like this don't always stay in-house (remember that DG from UM?)

Not knowing the context, the email could be a satirical, ironic pep talk in the middle of Greek Week. We just don't know. Now if every word of that was heart felt and she meant to truly imply her sisters were terrible people, etc., that's quite another thing, but again, it's Delta Gamma's business.

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No one should air dirty laundry, but it is highly unlikely that anyone from the chapter forwarded this email to the press.
Someone forwarded it out of house. I doubt the sharer even had malicious intent. The email was hilarious and was likely shared for that reason.
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Old 04-21-2013, 07:38 PM
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The "culture" of their chapter? Really? It is NEVER acceptable for anyone to talk to another human being this way. NEVER.
Agreed! It's not acceptable to talk to your sisters that way. Ever. I understand the writer's frustrations, but there are much better ways to go about it than how she did it AND her response with members may have been better as well. I'm sure she is not the only one in the chapter that has the same feelings.

I don't know all of the facts, BUT as an advisor, I'd probably make the recommendation that both the member who wrote this and especially the member who leaked it resign their membership. Based on what the member wrote/went about it in her email, I have a hunch she's had other problems within the chapter and this is not a first time screw up. Just my opinion.
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Old 04-19-2013, 03:36 PM
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EVERY chapter of every GLO has dirty laundry.

There are mechanisms to deal with it like Standards.

What you never do is air your dirty laundry (unless it's something your'e required to do by HQ rules, the law, etc.)
In a word, DUH. Every chapter has dirty laundry. Yes, I would want to address the one who leaked it via standards, but again, not knowing the chapter culture, the member could have not felt that this was a viable option.

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Honestly yes. Just because there is a strongly worded letter like Kevin said you don't know what is acceptable for their culture. I can see this being an acceptable form of critique for a group of college aged girls. Sometimes you need to yell and scream at people to get them to do things. This was strongly worded indeed, but I'm sure it got the message across and ended whatever issues there were. The person who leaked it however ruined this girls life (more so that is was). Ruining someones life is quite a bid deal IMO.
There is not an NPC organization that will deem this as an acceptable culture for any of their chapters. Period. As typical, you're conflating what you know of your fraternity life with sorority experience. It's apples and oranges.

The issues dealing with participation and enthusiasm for chapter events that the woman was trying to address are not unusual for chapters of sororities anywhere. If the only way that a leader can motivate others is to curse at them, call them names, and generally be derogatory, then the wrong person has been given a leadership role.

This ended no issues; it only made existing issues exponentially worse. I don't believe this girl's life is ruined in any shape or form. However, she has no one to blame for any repercussions she may experience but herself. She could have effectively expressed the same sentiments in other effective ways.

It still reads to me as a bid for a job on a reality show or as a writer, etc. I hear a bit of Jen Lancaster and Tucker Max in the tone.
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Old 04-21-2013, 07:40 PM
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There is not an NPC organization that will deem this as an acceptable culture for any of their chapters. Period. As typical, you're conflating what you know of your fraternity life with sorority experience. It's apples and oranges.

The issues dealing with participation and enthusiasm for chapter events that the woman was trying to address are not unusual for chapters of sororities anywhere. If the only way that a leader can motivate others is to curse at them, call them names, and generally be derogatory, then the wrong person has been given a leadership role.

This ended no issues; it only made existing issues exponentially worse. I don't believe this girl's life is ruined in any shape or form. However, she has no one to blame for any repercussions she may experience but herself. She could have effectively expressed the same sentiments in other effective ways.
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Old 04-21-2013, 08:03 PM
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"If you can't express yourself without massive amounts of profanity, you're poorly educated and stupid."
I completely agree with this! I hate that prospective PNMs might have come across this letter. But I hate even more that their parents are seeing it, and if they have no experience with Greek life themselves, this is the image they now have. I don't care if this is the vernacular that everyone expects college students to use. If it's okay for a person in leadership to use this language and say these things to her SISTERS, where do we finally draw the line?
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:08 AM
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I am on the fence about this. Does anyone have a picture of this feisty young broad? Her looks will determine if I will praise her or judge her.
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