What Not to Say to a Released PNM

[ForeverRoses]

Originally Posted by HQWest

Umm - while that would eliminate big/lil drama - wouldn't that mean that all the little chickadees that dont "feel the love" on the first day would have to quit bid day or right after initiation?

can you imagine all the special snowflakes complaining that they can't join a different group because they were initiated on bid day? or the questions of "even though I was initiated, I just didn't understand what was going on, so can I join another sorority???"

it's bad enough when it is a 6 week new member program...

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by ForeverRoses

can you imagine all the special snowflakes complaining that they can't join a different group because they were initiated on bid day? or the questions of "even though I was initiated, I just didn't understand what was going on, so can I join another sorority???"

it's bad enough when it is a 6 week new member program...

It kinda seems like a failing of NPC rush that it works for the men but would never work for the women.

[thetalady]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

It kinda seems like a failing of NPC rush that it works for the men but would never work for the women.

Fraternity rush vs. NPC is so incredibly different, that I don't know that it is fair to compare the two. Apples & pineapples...

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by thetalady

Fraternity rush vs. NPC is so incredibly different, that I don't know that it is fair to compare the two. Apples & pineapples...

Right, right, I was just thinking about why it works for some of their groups. ZBT also goes straight to initiation, AFAIK.

I'm not really suggesting the elimination of pledge periods, but I would like to see less of an emphasis on "you're initiated now, the learning is over". Even among NPC orgs, some do a better job of others in making sure there is continuous development throughout your time as a member.

[thetalady]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

I'm not really suggesting the elimination of pledge periods, but I would like to see less of an emphasis on "you're initiated now, the learning is over". Even among NPC orgs, some do a better job of others in making sure there is continuous development throughout your time as a member.

ABSOLUTELY!

[AnchorAlumna]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

It kinda seems like a failing of NPC rush that it works for the men but would never work for the women.

Who says it works for the men? It would be interesting to compare rentention rates for a number of decades. Not saying NPC would beat IFC, just that it might reveal...something.
Plus, most fraternities have some kind of inactive membership status, while many NPC groups don't.

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

I'm not really suggesting the elimination of pledge periods, but I would like to see less of an emphasis on "you're initiated now, the learning is over". Even among NPC orgs, some do a better job of others in making sure there is continuous development throughout your time as a member.

I absolutely agree with this. You can always learn something new, or be reminded of something you've forgotten.

[HQWest]

[QUOTE=AnchorAlumna;2185970]Who says it works for the men? It would be interesting to compare rentention rates for a number of decades. Not saying NPC would beat IFC, just that it might reveal...something.
Plus, most fraternities have some kind of inactive membership status, while many NPC groups don't.
QUOTE]

Exactly. I think that while NPC chapter numbers may be much higher bid day -many individual IFC chapter groups would beat their comparable campus NPC groups both in graduate rates and long-term retention.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by AnchorAlumna

Who says it works for the men? It would be interesting to compare rentention rates for a number of decades. Not saying NPC would beat IFC, just that it might reveal...something.

And I think it's only a relative handful of IFC/NIC (or similar) fraternities that have no pledge period and go straight to full initiation. Most fraternities do have some sort of pledge period, though they may not call it that.

[thetalady]

Originally Posted by ForeverRoses

can you imagine all the special snowflakes complaining that they can't join a different group because they were initiated on bid day? or the questions of "even though I was initiated, I just didn't understand what was going on, so can I join another sorority???"

it's bad enough when it is a 6 week new member program...

AMEN!!!

These girls need to understand and appreciate the meaning of our sisterhood and what they are joining. That takes time.

[HQWest]

Originally Posted by thetalady

AMEN!!!

These girls need to understand and appreciate the meaning of our sisterhood and what they are joining. That takes time.

Here, the guys might spend a year (or two!) getting to know someone before they invite them to the house or to a rush event. On the one hand, they really get to know them before they offer them a bid, and so it is more reasonable to have the short pledge period - on the other, they are somewhat limited to men they already know from church, camp, or school. The big get bigger and the small have to work at it to bring in new men.

If women went to completely real unstructured informal recruitment at some of these big state schools, it would be all recruitment all the time, and quickly devolve to very cliquey. Y'all would all be mad at us for not taking enough OOS women, rural women, and first generation college women. ( Hey, it might get pledge classes at Arkansas down to manageble size? )

[thetalady]

Originally Posted by HQWest

Here, the guys might spend a year (or two!) getting to know someone before they invite them to the house or to a rush event. On the one hand, they really get to know them before they offer them a bid, and so it is more reasonable to have the short pledge period - on the other, they are somewhat limited to men they already know from church, camp, or school.

Just my 2 cents worth.... My experience is limited to large SEC NPC recruitments with hundreds and hundreds, even 1000+, women rushing. I don't know of any fraternity rush that approaches the numbers of women wanting to join NPC oranizations. I think that the sheer volume of PNMs dictate a lot of the process that is in place. I cannot see getting to know 1000+ women well enough for members to offer bids and initiate within a week or two.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

^^^^^Not to toot our horn, but this is why I love our Essential Sigma program. It's all about continuous member development (member ed sequence for every year, even seniors) as opposed to solely NM ed.

/hi-jack.

Our Alpha Gamma Delta Experience is also about continuous member development. I think it's great