Teen held captive more than 3 years

[AlphaFrog]

I feel like SOMETIME during her labor & delivery she would have had a chance to say something to someone about being captive. Would he really have been there 24/7 for two straight days?

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I feel like SOMETIME during her labor & delivery she would have had a chance to say something to someone about being captive. Would he really have been there 24/7 for two straight days?

I imagine it was an especially vulnerable time for her and she didn't want to risk injury, not to mention the fact that had to have been scared.

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I feel like SOMETIME during her labor & delivery she would have had a chance to say something to someone about being captive. Would he really have been there 24/7 for two straight days?

I'm sure you don't mean it...but you sound like you're blaming the victim here and that angers and saddens me.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by shirley1929

I'm sure you don't mean it...but you sound like you're blaming the victim here and that angers and saddens me.

I see what you mean but I think AlphaFrog is really just trying to understand the psychology and details behind it all.

This was also discussed on the 20/20 Jaycee Lee Duggard show last night. It discussed how she was sometimes in public and did not flee. It also discussed how they were once or twice in the house when patrol officers did their visits and Jaycee talked to patrol officers. Throughout the whole ordeal Jaycee and her daughters were 30 feet from where the patrol officers checked monthly and the patrol officers never checked in the backyard.

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I see what you mean but I think AlphaFrog is really just trying to understand the psychology and details behind it all.

This was also discussed on the 20/20 Jaycee Lee Duggard show last night. It discussed how she was sometimes in public and did not flee. It also discussed how they were once or twice in the house when patrol officers did their visits and Jaycee talked to patrol officers. Throughout the whole ordeal Jaycee and her daughters were 30 feet from where the patrol officers checked monthly and the patrol officers never checked in the backyard.

Right. There are several instances throughout history of kidnappings and how the victim was this><close to someone of authority and didn't act...of course out of fear, I presume. I know AlphaFrog probably didn't meant it, but I wanted to make it very clear that even if she were sitting in a room full of police officers and did nothing...this WAS NOT HER FAULT.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by shirley1929

I'm sure you don't mean it...but you sound like you're blaming the victim here and that angers and saddens me.

Of course getting kidnapped and raped is not the victim's fault.

I'm just really wondering what happened that she could go to a hospital and deliver a baby and not find some moment to give someone an inkling she needed help. Maybe there truly wasn't an opportunity.

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Of course getting kidnapped and raped is not the victim's fault.

I'm just really wondering what happened that she could go to a hospital and deliver a baby and not find some moment to give someone an inkling she needed help. Maybe there truly wasn't an opportunity.

Read my next post...fear of retaliation! Maybe there wasn't an opportunity or maybe she sat in a room full of police officers without her kidnapper and was fearful for her, her child's, or her family's life. It doesn't matter...just because opportunity may or may not have been there, it doesn't mean she would have taken it. And if she didn't take it, IT IS NOT HER FAULT. That's all I'm getting at...

[MaryPoppins]

Originally Posted by shirley1929

Read my next post...fear of retaliation! Maybe there wasn't an opportunity or maybe she sat in a room full of police officers without her kidnapper and was fearful for her, her child's, or her family's life. It doesn't matter...just because opportunity may or may not have been there, it doesn't mean she would have taken it. And if she didn't take it, IT IS NOT HER FAULT. That's all I'm getting at...

Also there is Stockholm Syndrome. The kidnapping victim's brain makes them some to identify with their kidnappers as a survival instinct. Happens to civilians who are captured and made war brides, etc.

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by MaryPoppins

Also there is Stockholm Syndrome. The kidnapping victim's brain makes them some to identify with their kidnappers as a survival instinct. Happens to civilians who are captured and made war brides, etc.

Excellent point, and one that is hard for a logically-thinking brain (like those of us who it has never happened to) to understand completely.

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by shirley1929

And if she didn't take it, IT IS NOT HER FAULT. That's all I'm getting at...

AF already confirmed that is not what she was saying so I'm not sure why you're continuing to "get at" that point. All of us agree, it's not her fault. You don't need to keep driving it in when she's stated that she absolutely did not mean it the way it was perceived.

I miss DrPhil. Power trips are for the birds.

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Of course getting kidnapped and raped is not the victim's fault.

I'm just really wondering what happened that she could go to a hospital and deliver a baby and not find some moment to give someone an inkling she needed help. Maybe there truly wasn't an opportunity.

Originally Posted by shirley1929

Read my next post...fear of retaliation! Maybe there wasn't an opportunity or maybe she sat in a room full of police officers without her kidnapper and was fearful for her, her child's, or her family's life. It doesn't matter...just because opportunity may or may not have been there, it doesn't mean she would have taken it. And if she didn't take it, IT IS NOT HER FAULT. That's all I'm getting at...

Originally Posted by christiangirl

AF already confirmed that is not what she was saying so I'm not sure why you're continuing to "get at" that point. All of us agree, it's not her fault. You don't need to keep driving it in when she's stated that she absolutely did not mean it the way it was perceived.

AF confirmed that she agreed the kidnapping and rape were not her fault, however there are TWO issues that are not the victim's fault is what I was trying to say. AF is still is confused as to why she didn't speak up while in the hospital. Which, to some who don't know what she's trying to say, sounds like blaming the victim FOR NOT SPEAKING UP.

Originally Posted by christiangirl

I miss DrPhil.

Agreed. +1

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by shirley1929

AF confirmed that she agreed the kidnapping and rape were not her fault, however there are TWO issues that are not the victim's fault is what I was trying to say. AF is still is confused as to why she didn't speak up while in the hospital. Which, to some who don't know what she's trying to say, sounds like blaming the victim FOR NOT SPEAKING UP.

I see. FWIW, I believe AF was asking an innocent question for her knowledge, not blaming the victim for not speaking up. I realize how it sounded but I guess I just cyber-know her well enough to know it was an innocent comment.