Cardinal Rule Broken by Our Greek Advisor ;-(

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Yes, but I think the relationship between the OP and the new Dean is not that simple.

This Dean is essentially faculty, a position of power in an academic setting.

The OP is a student, a subordinate to faculty in an academic setting. The OP, I think, has more to loose if she decides to make an issue out of this. She stands to loose her position on student government, and maybe her degree, and this situation is not worth it.

OP, yes, you sat on the interview committee, and your input was used, but I can assure you that your input, as a student, was not the deciding factor to hiring her. You don't know who this new Dean knew at your school to get hired. You don't know any "back room" politics that often happen when people get hired.

If you decide to be the one to "tell it", and make a stink out of it, you may not just hurt the Dean's career, but who ever gave the final okay to hire her.

You need to realize that you are not just going after the Dean, but anyone else who okay'd her to work at your school. What I'm saying is, there may be more targets that you will hit, not just the Dean.

Like I said OP, you have more to loose than this Dean. LET IT GO!!!

The bottom line: Don't tell!!! If the school does not have a problem with it, the Dean and her NPHC sorority don't have a problem with it, and the NPC may not know, then let it go.

You are stirring up mess.

Also, this.

OP is messing not only with this Dean's career, but others as well. Also, when OP goes out into the real world to find a job, is being a busybody whistleblower something she wants to be known for? I really doubt it.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

This issue is not about the NPC sorority's regulations. This issue is only about the NPHC sorority's regulations.

That's not necessarily true. It's not about the NPC Unanimous Agreement, but there still seems to be some question about whether the rules of a specific NPC org might have been violated. Of course, since the person in question didn't identify the NPC org involved, it's all speculation.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Based on websites alone, Delta is the only NPHC sorority that explicitly states that applicants cannot be a member of another NPHC or NPC sorority.*** I did not find this on the other NPHC sororities' websites. They may state this during rush/informational or to applicants in another fashion, including verbal and written form. Or, they may let anyone in who in they like and let people slip through the cracks--as SenusretI was talking about. If they slip through the cracks of the chapter, they may slip through the cracks of NHQ if there are no member lists to check.

This is why I do think it would be helpful for the OP to identify the NPHC org at issue. At least the status with regard to that organization, and whether there was clearly a rule violation involved or not, could perhaps be resolved.

ETA: I think this information could be helpful for the sake of possibly satisfying curiosity, but I agree that as far as actually doing anything with any information, the OP should let it go.

[gee_ess]

Jumping in the fray-

I understand the OP's moral dilemma but if she pursues the issue, she looks like a mean-spirited, career destroying, NPC beeotch.

If the advisor was performing poorly at her job, conducting herself in a negative manner, misusing her connections with her NPHC group, the this might be a reason to raise a red flag. But, she is doing a fanastic job. The OP is on record as having raised the concern during the interview and the panel hired her anyway.

This is not a deal breaker for someone doing a good job. This information will only destroy a woman who obviously doesn't think/know she did anything wrong. The OP will be ruined for what looks to others like she is"making a mountain out of a molehill"

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

This is why I do think it would be helpful for the OP to identify the NPHC org at issue. At least the status with regard to that organization, and whether there was clearly a rule violation involved or not, could perhaps be resolved.

That would not be solved solely based on websites.

Originally Posted by gee_ess

If the advisor was performing poorly at her job, conducting herself in a negative manner, misusing her connections with her NPHC group, the this might be a reason to raise a red flag. But, she is doing a fanastic job. The OP is on record as having raised the concern during the interview and the panel hired her anyway.


This is not a deal breaker for someone doing a good job. This information will only destroy a woman who obviously doesn't think/know she did anything wrong. The OP will be ruined for what looks to others like she is"making a mountain out of a molehill"

This is not about how well this person is doing on the job.

If she does not want people delving into her membership (which could include making sure she is even in an NPHC sorority), she should keep her membership(s) to herself. There are Greek Life Offices that hire nonGreeks and that verify the membership(s) of the Greeks they hire.

[TriDeltaSallie]

Run away. Run FAR away from the idea of getting involved.

It's frustrating to see people with questionable integrity in positions of authority. It's even worse when they are successful at what they do. Many of us have been there. But you really have nothing to gain and a whole lot to lose both now and in the future.

We're not talking a major moral obligation like child abuse, etc. Yes, it is dishonesty, but it's not of the same level that would obligate you to do something.

And I've learned first-hand that the truth always comes out in the end. Just let it come out naturally and she'll get what she (apparently) has coming.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

That would not be solved solely based on websites.

No, but a member of the organization in question could perhaps shed some light if we knew which org it is.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

No, but a member of the organization in question could perhaps shed some light if we knew which org it is.

If we knew which organization it was, coupled with what we already know, that could very well do the OP in as far as her privacy is concerned.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Kevin

If we knew which organization it was, coupled with what we already know, that could very well do the OP in as far as her privacy is concerned.

I was doubting that would be case -- there are hundreds of campuses where this could be, and I don't think that additional piece of info (the school with the new dean who is an XYZ as opposed to the school with the new dean who is in an NPHC sorority) would sink the OP's privacy. But perhaps it might. Of course, the OP should use her best judgment on what to share.

[BAckbOwlsgIrl]

I call BULLSHIT on messing with the adviser's future.

The minute she joined a second organization, whether she knew it or not, she potentially put her own future at issue.
Despite, her connection to the NPHC group, she is concealing for a reason.

I wonder why she would admit to being in an NPC to the OP?
Sisterhood is for a lifetime. It may not meet all of your needs all of the time. But, once you are in, you are in.

For the OP's sake, I would wait until she graduated. Then take it from there. People will question why. The OP needs to think about herself too.

[excelblue]

I think there needs to be a distinction between personal and professional issues.

According to the OP, this dean is doing the job well and has been honest when asked about the situation with both an NPC and NPHC organization. As long as she is able to do her job well, I don't see an issue with it.

The question here is whether or not this issue actually affects her ability to do her job. Will she be able to effectively advocate the necessary values despite this issue? Is this integrity issue actually a dealbreaker for her otherwise great work in the position?

I think this is an issue between the dean, her NPC org, and her NPHC org. It's none of anybody's business outside of that. If I was the OP, I'd express to the dean that she was making some serious integrity violations and ask that she corrects the issue (i.e. by resigning from the NPC), but that's where the limits are.

Work and personal life don't mix. If this blows up on its own and the issues actually start to affect the dean's ability to serve her capacity, then that's another issue. Until then, it's a personal issue that's none of your business.

[thetalady]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

And if she still finds it that distasteful, she should present this scenario to NPC and suggest the rules be rewritten for the future.

GOOD LORD, YES!!!! I am shocked that this enormous hole exists in NPC policies with the expansion of other organizations.

[gee_ess]

Originally Posted by TriDeltaSallie

We're not talking a major moral obligation like child abuse, etc. Yes, it is dishonesty, but it's not of the same level that would obligate you to do something.

And I've learned first-hand that the truth always comes out in the end. Just let it come out naturally and she'll get what she (apparently) has coming.

YES!

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

As her constituent, she absolutely has standing to question her life and career.

Damn straight.

And even though we're not talking "a major moral obligation like child abuse"* - where does it start at an institution with people thinking they can get away with things? We ripped the hell out of the 20 year old guy who bought the Rho Chi shirt for his cousin at Buttface U with his IFC money from Babbleboob U.

If this woman had left out that she got a degree from Bob Jones University but "that isn't who she is anymore" - would that be OK?

*As we all know, comparing someone to Hitler/calling them a Nazi is known as Godwining the thread. What shall we call this sort of statement? Sandusking?

[Kevin]

You don't even know if a rule has been broken. Stop the moral indignation BS and figure that out before you start recklessly giving advice to people.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek?

Once again, because apparently I am not making myself clear here. I am not saying the OP should conduct an investigation and contact members of sororities and ask pointed questions about policies, detailed information about a sister or anything else specific. I am merely suggesting that she make a discreet attempt to confirm that this isn't a tall tale before contacting the NPHC organization with a vague story about someone who might have membership in some NPC organization if that's what she ends up deciding she wants to do.

Do you mean tall tale as in, the Greek advisor herself made this up and she was never in an NPC?

Wouldn't that be kind of like going to apply for a job with a zoo and showing them your beheaded hyena collection? Unless, of course, she was so deluded as to think that this would help her "connect" with NPC sorority members and win them over.

Then again, the rest of the hiring committee thought this was OK fine, so it really makes me question the regard in which the school holds Greek life to begin with.