Alabama Rush and First Cuts: Predetermined?

[justgo_withit]

Originally Posted by AXOrushadvisor

But I have heard of Rho Chi's telling girls that they have to list all the chapters they visited or they will get kicked out of the system which is essentially "forcing" them to list a chapter they may have zero interest in. In fact, when my niece was a Rho Chi at the University of Arizona that is what they told her to say to the PNM's. I told her that was absolutely not true. You can list one, two or three Chapters (not sure anyone does a 4 pref system) I don't think there is a system out there that kicks you our if you don't take full advantage of your options is there?

Well that makes me sad inside, and I hope many of those PNMs fell in love with their sisterhood who would've gone bidless otherwise. I mean it's not necessarily a sad ending, making PNMs list a group that they think they don't want, it just takes away their say in the matter (outside of the say they get by where they rank).

[Greek_or_Geek?]

Originally Posted by AXOrushadvisor

But I have heard of Rho Chi's telling girls that they have to list all the chapters they visited or they will get kicked out of the system which is essentially "forcing" them to list a chapter they may have zero interest in. In fact, when my niece was a Rho Chi at the University of Arizona that is what they told her to say to the PNM's. I told her that was absolutely not true. You can list one, two or three Chapters (not sure anyone does a 4 pref system) I don't think there is a system out there that kicks you our if you don't take full advantage of your options is there?

No there isn't a system that does that, but when a PNM doesn't list all chapters, she is decreasing her chances of receiving a bid even at schools that don't guarantee placement. The PNM is essentially kicking herself out of the system even though she'd rather OMG DIE than accept a bid from her third choice. But they don't want to believe those strong chapters really didn't want them as much as they wanted the chapter.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek?

No there isn't a system that does that, but when a PNM doesn't list all chapters, she is decreasing her chances of receiving a bid even at schools that don't guarantee placement. The PNM is essentially kicking herself out of the system even though she'd rather OMG DIE than accept a bid from her third choice. But they don't want to believe those strong chapters really didn't want them as much as they wanted the chapter.

This is the issue with SIPing and not maxing out your options.

Generally speaking, PNMs have a skewed view of their desirability in the process and think that this one chapter they put down (or 2 in this case) is more interested in them than they actually are.

[Greek_or_Geek?]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Almost. Putting down 2 out of 3 chapters carries the same penalty as putting down a single chapter: you are no longer guaranteed a placement, or, more formally, you are not eligible to be a quota addition if you don't match. You may still get a placement, if you are high enough on a bid list, but if you are not high enough, you will go without a bid. That much is correct.

What is less clear is what happens if you list all three and aren't high enough on ANY of the bid lists to get a bid. In that case, you could end up in any one of the three chapters, depending on how quota additions are placed (and I don't know the rules at every school; it seems there is no uniform method).

This causes all sorts of confusion, because Rho Gams tell women that putting down your third choice gives you a better shot at getting a bid to your first or second choice, which may be technically true (as you can be placed in one of them as a quota addition, whereas you can't if you don't list all three), but it's a bad, bad, bad thing for a Rho Gam to say, because the chances of it happening are extremely small, as all three chapters would have to take quota without you matching somewhere. The far, far, far more likely outcome is that you'd match to your third-choice chapter, because the chapter PNM's dislike so much they won't even consider it is usually the chapter that also struggles to fill quota.

This. Sadly the third chapter is usually the weakest one. It's called guaranteed placement not guaranteed favorite.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

The one thing I'd say in the PNMs' defense is that those chapters have worked very, very hard to appeal to the PNM and appear deeply interested in her. That's what effective recruiting is all about, whether we're talking about employers, universities, etc.

This is also true.

The strongest recruiting chapters are VERY good at this and will generally have women SIPing them for that very reason.

[DubaiSis]

We've had this discussion before, but I think in the effort to mother a girl into doing the right thing, they massage the wording a little. The system doesn't "kick you out" in a way that any of us would use that phrase (you didn't fill out the form correctly so it doesn't even look at the card). Girl would either have gotten her last choice if she'd listed all 3 OR she could have been a quota addition to one of the other 2 if she had listed all of her options. However, I'm not a fan of listing all 3 just so you can be a quota addition to only 1 or 2 of them. Although it COULD work, you've shot yourself in the foot if it doesn't. But the computer didn't deny her a place in one of her 2 preferred houses. The houses did that, it just sounds more palatable to blame it on the computer.

[Greek_or_Geek?]

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

The one thing I'd say in the PNMs' defense is that those chapters have worked very, very hard to appeal to the PNM and appear deeply interested in her. That's what effective recruiting is all about, whether we're talking about employers, universities, etc.

True. But I think that we all know that even if the weak chapter had a huge breakthrough and was able to use the same techniques, PNMs would view them as desperate since they've been guzzling the tent talk koolaid.

[carnation]

I have witnessed this. I recall one rush where "the chapter everyone wanted" kept goofing up and goofing around in their skit. It was awful and the adults kept cutting their eyes around at each other as if to say, "I do NOT believe how bad this is." Yet the rushees were laughing merrily and desperately, anything to please the sorority girls. And then I realized that that chapter could have gone up there and had nothing but competitive burping and the rushees would have desperately wanted them.

Whereas the weaker chapters could've been brilliant and witty and sparkled in their conversations, etc., and they still would've been dropped.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek?

True. But I think that we all know that even if the weak chapter had a huge breakthrough and was able to use the same techniques, PNMs would view them as desperate since they've been guzzling the tent talk koolaid.

Plenty of weak chapters do it, and we see women on here talk say things like "they wanted me so bad, it was creepy". It's like when an unattractive guy hits on you.

[Greek_or_Geek?]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Plenty of weak chapters do it, and we see women on here talk say things like "they wanted me so bad, it was creepy". It's like when an unattractive guy hits on you.

And if the favored chapters do the exact same thing, the PNMs are OMG THEY TOTES LOVE ME WHO'S GONNA BE MY BIIIIIIIIIIIIG WHEN I GET MY BID????

[KyKKGviaFlorida]

Is anyone following rush at Alabama this week? My PNM was supposed to pick up her first round invites at 9:30 today. They pushed it back to 10:30. And now they have pushed it back to 1. Rho Chi's stated that the release forms were not ready yet. Anybody hear anything? Does that mean computer issues or chapters not getting lists in on time?

[AnchorAlumna]

ICS problems. yeah, computer.

[KyKKGviaFlorida]

AnchorAlumna---Has this happened before? They were supposed to start parties at 9:30. If they are not starting until 1:30 today, how are they going to fit all of the in?

[AnchorAlumna]

This is my first time through since we colonized last year, so I don't know, but I think it has.
They'll work in all in.
Today is the first day of philanthropy rounds. There are two days for this round. I can't remember the number of parties, but there were enough parties that EVERYBODY - even girls with a full schedule - would have some rest times.

[fearless]

parties have now been postponed until 4:30 because of the weather... complete chaos