Alabama Rush and First Cuts: Predetermined?

[justgo_withit]

Originally Posted by Ladybugmom

My daughter is at UT, where they have guaranteed placement if you attend at least one pref party. This girl attended 3. The only thing I can think of is that if she attended 3 parties, but only listed 2, then she would be kicked out of the system...however, if she went to 3 parties, but only listed 1, that would be SIP... who knows, maybe she suicided and is not admitting to that??

What I'm confused about is why the computer would kick her out at all; it's not normal for panhellenic to make girls rank all of their pref invites. If that is how it works, I feel like it would've been clearly explained multiple times (in writing, in orientation meetings, before she signed the MRABA); panhellenic and the recruitment counselors want as many girls with bids as possible, so something important like "if you don't maximize your options, even with 3 pref parties, you absolutely won't get a bid" would've been told to the girls over and over again.

[Ladybugmom]

Originally Posted by justgo_withit

What I'm confused about is why the computer would kick her out at all; it's not normal for panhellenic to make girls rank all of their pref invites. If that is how it works, I feel like it would've been clearly explained multiple times (in writing, in orientation meetings, before she signed the MRABA); panhellenic and the recruitment counselors want as many girls with bids as possible, so something important like "if you don't maximize your options, even with 3 pref parties, you absolutely won't get a bid" would've been told to the girls over and over again.

I agree with you..I would think that there would be systems in place to prevent someone to only put 2 out of 3 choices in the computer...however it lets you put 1 out of 3 (SIP). My daughter also said that she was told many times that she needed to list all 3 chapters on her card so she was even baffled when we heard the story. I just wonder what would really happen if someone put 2 out of 3 on thier card..if the computer will even allow that? Anyone know if this is even possible? Im thinking this girl SIP and didnt want to tell her mom or anyone eles..

[justgo_withit]

Originally Posted by Ladybugmom

I agree with you..I would think that there would be systems in place to prevent someone to only put 2 out of 3 choices in the computer...however it lets you put 1 out of 3 (SIP). My daughter also said that she was told many times that she needed to list all 3 chapters on her card so she was even baffled when we heard the story. I just wonder what would really happen if someone put 2 out of 3 on thier card..if the computer will even allow that? Anyone know if this is even possible? Im thinking this girl SIP and didnt want to tell her mom or anyone eles..

No, what I was getting at was that there was no computer error and that the two groups she listed just didn't have her high enough on their bid lists. I've never heard of a CP forcing the girls to sign a binding agreement to every house they pref'd or else they would get no bid at all. Forcing a girl to sign a bid to a house that she thinks she has zero interest in (even though we all know that girl would probably make it work and come to love her sisterhood dearly) takes away the small "mutual selection" bit that the PNMs get to do.

[AXOrushadvisor]

Originally Posted by justgo_withit

No, what I was getting at was that there was no computer error and that the two groups she listed just didn't have her high enough on their bid lists. I've never heard of a CP forcing the girls to sign a binding agreement to every house they pref'd or else they would get no bid at all. Forcing a girl to sign a bid to a house that she thinks she has zero interest in (even though we all know that girl would probably make it work and come to love her sisterhood dearly) takes away the small "mutual selection" bit that the PNMs get to do.

But I have heard of Rho Chi's telling girls that they have to list all the chapters they visited or they will get kicked out of the system which is essentially "forcing" them to list a chapter they may have zero interest in. In fact, when my niece was a Rho Chi at the University of Arizona that is what they told her to say to the PNM's. I told her that was absolutely not true. You can list one, two or three Chapters (not sure anyone does a 4 pref system) I don't think there is a system out there that kicks you our if you don't take full advantage of your options is there?

[justgo_withit]

Originally Posted by AXOrushadvisor

But I have heard of Rho Chi's telling girls that they have to list all the chapters they visited or they will get kicked out of the system which is essentially "forcing" them to list a chapter they may have zero interest in. In fact, when my niece was a Rho Chi at the University of Arizona that is what they told her to say to the PNM's. I told her that was absolutely not true. You can list one, two or three Chapters (not sure anyone does a 4 pref system) I don't think there is a system out there that kicks you our if you don't take full advantage of your options is there?

Well that makes me sad inside, and I hope many of those PNMs fell in love with their sisterhood who would've gone bidless otherwise. I mean it's not necessarily a sad ending, making PNMs list a group that they think they don't want, it just takes away their say in the matter (outside of the say they get by where they rank).

[Greek_or_Geek?]

Originally Posted by AXOrushadvisor

But I have heard of Rho Chi's telling girls that they have to list all the chapters they visited or they will get kicked out of the system which is essentially "forcing" them to list a chapter they may have zero interest in. In fact, when my niece was a Rho Chi at the University of Arizona that is what they told her to say to the PNM's. I told her that was absolutely not true. You can list one, two or three Chapters (not sure anyone does a 4 pref system) I don't think there is a system out there that kicks you our if you don't take full advantage of your options is there?

No there isn't a system that does that, but when a PNM doesn't list all chapters, she is decreasing her chances of receiving a bid even at schools that don't guarantee placement. The PNM is essentially kicking herself out of the system even though she'd rather OMG DIE than accept a bid from her third choice. But they don't want to believe those strong chapters really didn't want them as much as they wanted the chapter.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek?

No there isn't a system that does that, but when a PNM doesn't list all chapters, she is decreasing her chances of receiving a bid even at schools that don't guarantee placement. The PNM is essentially kicking herself out of the system even though she'd rather OMG DIE than accept a bid from her third choice. But they don't want to believe those strong chapters really didn't want them as much as they wanted the chapter.

This is the issue with SIPing and not maxing out your options.

Generally speaking, PNMs have a skewed view of their desirability in the process and think that this one chapter they put down (or 2 in this case) is more interested in them than they actually are.