Alabama Rush and First Cuts: Predetermined?

[Titchou]

It says "lists all of the chapters she visits during the preference round" so I think that pretty clear that if you don't attend preference, you are not getting a bid.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Titchou

It says "lists all of the chapters she visits during the preference round" so I think that pretty clear that if you don't attend preference, you are not getting a bid.

Right, I know that's what it says. I think we all know that there is a gap between what we tell PNM's/moms and what they see/hear.

[Ladybugmom]

I know of an instance at D's school last year where a girl attended 3 pref parties, but only listed 2 on her card..left the third one off on purpose, and was released completely...the computer kicked her out....
She later blamed it on the Rho G's for not explaining to her that this could/would happen.

[AXOrushadvisor]

Originally Posted by Ladybugmom

I know of an instance at D's school last year where a girl attended 3 pref parties, but only listed 2 on her card..left the third one off on purpose, and was released completely...the computer kicked her out....
She later blamed it on the Rho G's for not explaining to her that this could/would happen.

Are there certain systems that do that? I was under the impression that Greek Life tells them that will happen because they don't want any one to SIP. I know our system lets you SIP.

[justgo_withit]

Originally Posted by Ladybugmom

I know of an instance at D's school last year where a girl attended 3 pref parties, but only listed 2 on her card..left the third one off on purpose, and was released completely...the computer kicked her out....
She later blamed it on the Rho G's for not explaining to her that this could/would happen.

Could it be that she went bidless because she wasn't high enough on either bid list, and she told people/someone told her that to try and make it seem less personal? I mean we'll never know where she was on the bid lists, but unless someone reputable from Panhellenic told her that she was dropped because the computer kicked her out (possibly with a reference to that part of their guidelines, as I don't think that's the kind of thing they would intentionally keep secret from PNMs) I'm more inclined to think this is a case of a girl saving face.

[Ladybugmom]

Originally Posted by justgo_withit

Could it be that she went bidless because she wasn't high enough on either bid list, and she told people/someone told her that to try and make it seem less personal? I mean we'll never know where she was on the bid lists, but unless someone reputable from Panhellenic told her that she was dropped because the computer kicked her out (possibly with a reference to that part of their guidelines, as I don't think that's the kind of thing they would intentionally keep secret from PNMs) I'm more inclined to think this is a case of a girl saving face.

My daughter is at UT, where they have guaranteed placement if you attend at least one pref party. This girl attended 3. The only thing I can think of is that if she attended 3 parties, but only listed 2, then she would be kicked out of the system...however, if she went to 3 parties, but only listed 1, that would be SIP... who knows, maybe she suicided and is not admitting to that??

[justgo_withit]

Originally Posted by Ladybugmom

My daughter is at UT, where they have guaranteed placement if you attend at least one pref party. This girl attended 3. The only thing I can think of is that if she attended 3 parties, but only listed 2, then she would be kicked out of the system...however, if she went to 3 parties, but only listed 1, that would be SIP... who knows, maybe she suicided and is not admitting to that??

What I'm confused about is why the computer would kick her out at all; it's not normal for panhellenic to make girls rank all of their pref invites. If that is how it works, I feel like it would've been clearly explained multiple times (in writing, in orientation meetings, before she signed the MRABA); panhellenic and the recruitment counselors want as many girls with bids as possible, so something important like "if you don't maximize your options, even with 3 pref parties, you absolutely won't get a bid" would've been told to the girls over and over again.

[Ladybugmom]

Originally Posted by justgo_withit

What I'm confused about is why the computer would kick her out at all; it's not normal for panhellenic to make girls rank all of their pref invites. If that is how it works, I feel like it would've been clearly explained multiple times (in writing, in orientation meetings, before she signed the MRABA); panhellenic and the recruitment counselors want as many girls with bids as possible, so something important like "if you don't maximize your options, even with 3 pref parties, you absolutely won't get a bid" would've been told to the girls over and over again.

I agree with you..I would think that there would be systems in place to prevent someone to only put 2 out of 3 choices in the computer...however it lets you put 1 out of 3 (SIP). My daughter also said that she was told many times that she needed to list all 3 chapters on her card so she was even baffled when we heard the story. I just wonder what would really happen if someone put 2 out of 3 on thier card..if the computer will even allow that? Anyone know if this is even possible? Im thinking this girl SIP and didnt want to tell her mom or anyone eles..

[Greek_or_Geek?]

Originally Posted by Ladybugmom

My daughter is at UT, where they have guaranteed placement if you attend at least one pref party. This girl attended 3. The only thing I can think of is that if she attended 3 parties, but only listed 2, then she would be kicked out of the system...however, if she went to 3 parties, but only listed 1, that would be SIP... who knows, maybe she suicided and is not admitting to that??

She wasn't kicked out of the system. She didn't play by the guaranteed placement rules and did not maximize her options. Please stop spreading incorrect information about a process that worked exactly the way it was supposed to.

[Ladybugmom]

Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek?

She wasn't kicked out of the system. She didn't play by the guaranteed placement rules and did not maximize her options. Please stop spreading incorrect information about a process that worked exactly the way it was supposed to.

Excuse me..I wasnt spreading incorrect information...I have no idea what really happened..as I stated in my later post. This girl could have suicided and not told the real story.
I happen to know this family and was told that she went to 3 parties, but only listed 2 on her card. She got a call the morning of bid day and was told she was released...her Rho G told her, after the fact, that she was probably kicked out of the system because she did not list all 3 of her choices on her card..now this could have just been the Rho G telling her this to make her feel better, or this could have been the girl making this up to cover the fact that she suicided and didnt get her only choice. The mom was shocked because they were under the impression that if she attended at least one pref party, that she would get a bid somewhere...of course when the truth came out that she only listed 2 of her 3 choices, it made more sense.
The computer system is in no way to blame..that's not what I was trying to convey..obviously the girl didnt maximize her options.

The moral of the story is to listen to the rules very carefully when listing on your final pref card...

[arrowlady]

Originally Posted by Ladybugmom

My daughter is at UT, where they have guaranteed placement if you attend at least one pref party. This girl attended 3. The only thing I can think of is that if she attended 3 parties, but only listed 2, then she would be kicked out of the system...however, if she went to 3 parties, but only listed 1, that would be SIP... who knows, maybe she suicided and is not admitting to that??

I thought that guaranteed placement was only if you had a full schedule of 3 houses and put all 3 houses on your card? I am totally unfamiliar with UT's rules so I am just going off of what I have seen/heard at other campuses girls with only one pref party left not getting a house.

This gets me to thinking wouldn't it be nice if all the campuses followed the same quidelines...

[Ladybugmom]

Originally Posted by arrowlady

I thought that guaranteed placement was only if you had a full schedule of 3 houses and put all 3 houses on your card? I am totally unfamiliar with UT's rules so I am just going off of what I have seen/heard at other campuses girls with only one pref party left not getting a house.

This gets me to thinking wouldn't it be nice if all the campuses followed the same quidelines...

I think they do Arrowlady..I didnt mean to open a can of worms..lol..I have a feeling that the girl didnt tell the complete story and SIP..she still maintains to this day that she listed 2 of the 3 and was not given a bid...I guess the big question is if this is even possible and if so, could she really be thrown out of the system??

[Greek_or_Geek?]

Originally Posted by arrowlady

I thought that guaranteed placement was only if you had a full schedule of 3 houses and put all 3 houses on your card? I am totally unfamiliar with UT's rules so I am just going off of what I have seen/heard at other campuses girls with only one pref party left not getting a house.

This gets me to thinking wouldn't it be nice if all the campuses followed the same quidelines...

It doesn't matter how many Pref parties you are invited to with guaranteed placement. As long as you attend all the parties you are invited to and list them all, you will receive a bid to one, even if you only had one invite. If you fail to list any chapter you visited at preference or fail to attend a party you're invited to, there's no guaranteed replacement. It is my experience that at these large competitive schools that offer guaranteed placement, this processs is explained over and over again. The PNMs simply don't believe they're not going to get a bid from the chapter they want. So they either hear "computer error blah blah" or create a legend to explain the lack of a bid.

Ladybugmom, you are posting a tale based on a second hand story that was told to you. That's gossip and not the way things really happened no matter what the PNM and her family were told or believe and subsequently told you. PNMs have enough things to worry about without having to be concerned with incorrect tales of being dropped by a computer system. Surely you can understand that?

Like I said before, the system worked exactly the way it was supposed to.

[Greek_or_Geek?]

Originally Posted by Ladybugmom

I know of an instance at D's school last year where a girl attended 3 pref parties, but only listed 2 on her card..left the third one off on purpose, and was released completely...the computer kicked her out....
She later blamed it on the Rho G's for not explaining to her that this could/would happen.

This isn't correct. She attends a school with guaranteed placement. If she had listed all three, she would have received a bid from one, although probably the chapter she felt she was too good for. By not maximizing her options, she made herself ineligible for quota additions. The simple truth is she wasn't high enough on the other two groups' bid lists to receive a bid. There was no computer randomly "dropping" her or error.