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Old 08-07-2012, 02:04 AM
VandalSquirrel VandalSquirrel is offline
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Sorry been working lately and now I have to figure out how to do something called multi-quote before responding to all the others.

This is what happens when an armed private citizen is present during what could have been a mass shooting. I speculate that, due to his age, the shooter may be a veteran.

http://www.youtube.com/v/epZod2qyyN4

My father carries concealed, being allowed by the concealed carry for retired law enforcement officer legislation signed by President GW Bush in 2004. He turned 87 on July 31 and scored over 90% on all shooting qualification courses of fire, beating many of the members of the Oklahoma Highway Patrol.

If you know of a shooting that was made worse by the presence of a concealed carry holder then that would be interesting. I have previously posted a number of shootings that were cut short by concealed permit holders.
The last murder/suicide in my town was carried out by someone with a Utah concealed weapons permit, not even a year ago. I knew all involved, even the person who did the CCW training. The perp suffered from mental illness.

There was also an incident 5 years ago, where citizens went to assist and it wasn't a good situation. I witnessed the shooting, and since we couldn't be sure what was going on we stayed indoors with our firearms. The perp killed his wife, a church caretaker, a police officer (the only one to die in the line of duty in the history of the town), himself, and wounded others. he suffered from mental illness as well. About 6 weeks before this incident a mentally ill person murdered a student here in Moscow, another student in Boise, and attempted to murder a student in Arizona. These three incidents were all perpetrated with legal weapons by mentally ill people. The only other shooting I remember was of a football player and the perp was not mentally ill, I'd say in 2004?

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/break...ry.asp?ID=9960

That's a lot of murder with legal weapons by mentally ill people in a town of about 20,000. These incidents both in my tiny town and across the country have two things in common; legal firearms and mental illness. Hopefully with the Affordable Care Act incidents like these can be prevented with better access to mental health and psychiatric care, but since all of these incidents were with legally obtained weapons something is wrong. Maybe ammo needs to be better controlled, maintained, regulated, and tracked since one can't go on a spree without a lot of ammo.
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Old 08-07-2012, 02:40 AM
Jeff OTMG Jeff OTMG is offline
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Mental health issues are a disqualifier for firearms purchase at a federal level and for ownership in many states. Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on your position, due to the The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) your mental health records are private and cannot be accessed by the government or individuals without a patient waiver. Since it is a mental health issue nothing can be done without giving up a right to privacy. Can you require someone to waive their HIPAA rights to own a firearm? I don't thinks so. If that was the case then should it be applied to other rights as well. If you are not competent should you be allowed to vote, own a gun, or have the right to free speech because it might be hate speech?
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