Dirty Rushers :(

[FSUZeta]

Originally Posted by agzg

If she feels like it was bid promising and wants to take action, she can file a recruitment infraction with Panhellenic Council.

It certainly sounds like a multitude of rush infractions to me, but as much as she is entitled to file a complaint, she needs to weigh the possible consequences if it is discovered that the complaint came from her.

[gee_ess]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

It certainly sounds like a multitude of rush infractions to me, but as much as she is entitled to file a complaint, she needs to weigh the possible consequences if it is discovered that the complaint came from her.

I agree. This sort of thing could have adverse results? I think it might be better to write it all down - times, places, dates, etc and then decide after recruitment. Whether or not she files a formal complaint, she can always give the info to Greek Life or to whatever house she pledges.

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

It certainly sounds like a multitude of rush infractions to me, but as much as she is entitled to file a complaint, she needs to weigh the possible consequences if it is discovered that the complaint came from her.

Originally Posted by gee_ess

I agree. This sort of thing could have adverse results I think it might be better to write it all down - times, places, dates, etc and the decide after recruitment. Whether or not she files a formal complaint, she can always give the info to Greek Life or to whatever house she pledges.

This is a total sidebar discussion, BUT, I do think it's what is wrong at competitive schools (not sure about others). The actives are clawing all over themselves to turn in their "friends" in other groups for rush infractions, but the PNM's who are the ones who have the potential to get burned by rush infractions are too scared to say anything. It just seems that the system isn't working to the benefit of the PNM who is stuck in the weird position. We all know countless stories (at least I do?) of PNM's who were promised bids, didn't say anything about it because they were too scared, and then were burned on or before Bid Day. Not sure how to fix the system though...

[agzg]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

It certainly sounds like a multitude of rush infractions to me, but as much as she is entitled to file a complaint, she needs to weigh the possible consequences if it is discovered that the complaint came from her.

Originally Posted by gee_ess

I agree. This sort of thing could have adverse results? I think it might be better to write it all down - times, places, dates, etc and then decide after recruitment. Whether or not she files a formal complaint, she can always give the info to Greek Life or to whatever house she pledges.

It's Panhellenic's job to council her on that. Since we don't know the campus, we don't exactly know whether or not it'll have an adverse affect. Also, if she wants to document and hold on to it, she better start time stamping things. I've seen too many instances when a chapter gets away with "she's just bitter she didn't get a bid."

Originally Posted by shirley1929

This is a total sidebar discussion, BUT, I do think it's what is wrong at competitive schools (not sure about others). The actives are clawing all over themselves to turn in their "friends" in other groups for rush infractions, but the PNM's who are the ones who have the potential to get burned by rush infractions are too scared to say anything. It just seems that the system isn't working to the benefit of the PNM who is stuck in the weird position. We all know countless stories (at least I do?) of PNM's who were promised bids, didn't say anything about it because they were too scared, and then were burned on or before Bid Day. Not sure how to fix the system though...

This happens at most schools. If I remember correctly, my chapter filed a recruitment infraction on another for offering the Rho Gammas a snack when they came to pick up PNMs at the house. Or something equally as stupid/inconsequential. They should be there to protect the PNMs but unfortunately chapters use them as a weapon against each other.

[FSUZeta]

Originally Posted by agzg

It's Panhellenic's job to council her on that. Since we don't know the campus, we don't exactly know whether or not it'll have an adverse affect. Also, if she wants to document and hold on to it, she better start time stamping things. I've seen too many instances when a chapter gets away with "she's just bitter she didn't get a bid.".

Our point was that if she speaks to Panhellenic prior to recruitment, there is the risk that the source of the complaint (her) might be leaked and negatively effect her recruitment. Even if noone mentions that it was Patty PNM who made the complaint, if XYZ sorority has to go in and talk to the Greek life advisor for talking to a PNM during "silence/no contact period" it might be easy for XYZ to put two and two together and figure out it was Patty.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

Our point was that if she speaks to Panhellenic prior to recruitment, there is the risk that the source of the complaint (her) might be leaked and negatively effect her recruitment. Even if noone mentions that it was Patty PNM who made the complaint, if XYZ sorority has to go in and talk to the Greek life advisor for talking to a PNM during "silence/no contact period" it might be easy for XYZ to put two and two together and figure out it was Patty.

My point is that it's Panhellenic's job to council her on whether or not she needs to or should file a recruitment infraction. If it leaks, there are steps she can take.

She also may want to discuss it with her recruitment counselor rather than just any member of Panhellenic - I was not allowed to discuss anything about PNMs with my chapter or any other. Any breach of that meant serious trouble and everyone knew it. If she doesn't file the infraction, though, the chapter doesn't need to have a discussion with the Greek Advisor. Someone on the campus would know whether it was likely that someone would figure it out. Not randos on the internet.