I don't care if I offend you, Greek & PNMs- Listen Up!

[MaggieXi]

What I got from the ramblings was:
Everyone should get a spot in a sorority regardless of their grades, class standing, personality, etc. (and that everyone should poop rainbows and own magical ponies).

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by MaggieXi

What I got from the ramblings was:
Everyone should get a spot in a sorority regardless of their grades, class standing, personality, etc. (and that everyone should poop rainbows and own magical ponies).

Yes! Legit reason to post this again!

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by MaggieXi

What I got from the ramblings was:
Everyone should get a spot in a sorority regardless of their grades, class standing, personality, etc. (and that everyone should poop rainbows and own magical ponies).

I would like my own magical pony. I think it would make my daily commute more enjoyable.

[Old_Row]

Originally Posted by MaggieXi

What I got from the ramblings was:
Everyone should get a spot in a top tier sorority regardless of their grades, class standing, personality, etc. (and that everyone should poop rainbows and own magical ponies).

Fixed your post for you.

[CloseMinded]

Originally Posted by MaggieXi

What I got from the ramblings was:
Everyone should get a spot in a sorority regardless of their grades, class standing, personality, etc. (and that everyone should poop rainbows and own magical ponies).

That’s the exact opposite of what I am trying to say! I WANT you to care MORE about their grades, personality (currently, not a year ago), campus involvement, blahblahblah and LESS about the fact they depledged an organization last year. Are you seriously kidding me when you say there are diminishing ROI for making new friends, mentoring a young women or ANY of the other benefits of joining our organizations? I’m not saying Suzie Sorority should get a bid to the most competitive organization at the most competitive school in the country. I am saying that every organization from Chi O to AEPhi should at least give her an equal opportunity. If she doesn’t fit your organization because of her personality or grades, fine – drop her. But you’re not even giving these girls a chance because they didn’t give you a chance first. Straight talk with them, the chances are slim but if you get involved on campus outside Greek Life, meet members of different organizations, do study hours and keep your GPA up, etc those are ways to stand out at recruitment. I’m no better than any other member on this board or in my organization or Greek Life anywhere and I have never claimed to be. I would love this to open up to a discussion, but the same women who are discouraging PNMs are making the chances of a true discussion impossible.

P.S. I know I'm wordy. I also know most people who are going to comment on this will be more worried about my word count than my message.

P.S.S. to Shirely, since your still an active member and might read this, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE what you said in that quote! Sorry you had to get dragged into this though.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by CloseMinded

But you’re not even giving these girls a chance because they didn’t give you a chance first. .

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Exactly. Having once offered an opportunity to join a sisterhood an organization would be foolish to extend themselves for someone they know 1.) wasn't interested in them and 2.) has a proven record of dropping out rather than someone who doesn't have those two strikes. There are too many well-qualified pnms who don't have this baggage - it's a competitive system. A freshman who can offer 4 years of commitment and who hasn't proven to be a quitter is of COURSE going to be more attractive to a GLO.

That said, ClosedMinded, you shouldn't assume you know how much weight is given to individual aspects of sorority membership selection. You are making the assumption that you do - and you don't.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by CloseMinded

That’s the exact opposite of what I am trying to say! I WANT you to care MORE about their grades, personality (currently, not a year ago), campus involvement, blahblahblah and LESS about the fact they depledged an organization last year. Are you seriously kidding me when you say there are diminishing ROI for making new friends, mentoring a young women or ANY of the other benefits of joining our organizations? I’m not saying Suzie Sorority should get a bid to the most competitive organization at the most competitive school in the country. I am saying that every organization from Chi O to AEPhi should at least give her an equal opportunity. If she doesn’t fit your organization because of her personality or grades, fine – drop her. But you’re not even giving these girls a chance because they didn’t give you a chance first. Straight talk with them, the chances are slim but if you get involved on campus outside Greek Life, meet members of different organizations, do study hours and keep your GPA up, etc those are ways to stand out at recruitment. I’m no better than any other member on this board or in my organization or Greek Life anywhere and I have never claimed to be. I would love this to open up to a discussion, but the same women who are discouraging PNMs are making the chances of a true discussion impossible.

1) You're making assumptions about our membership selection procedures. Maybe every sorority member here always pushed for the underdog to receive a bid. You don't know, so stop trying to make us sound like we're out to get the girls who didn't take the "easier" road on their way to receiving a bid.

2) You didn't exactly approach this in the best way. I don't know why you're so surprised that people here are confused and/or mad at you.

3) It could have been a rational discussion if you offered to have one. Instead, you're still saying that certain members here (who you fail to point the finger at directly) are discouraging PNMs from rushing.. Which is bs. Again, sorry we tell PNMs the truth.

Actually, no.. I'm not sorry.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by CloseMinded

I would love this to open up to a discussion, but the same women who are discouraging PNMs are making the chances of a true discussion impossible.

I don't know about everyone else, but I've found that if I'm truly wanting to have a discussion about something, it's counter productive to open with, "I don't care if I offend you - listen up!" That generally tends to make people a bit defensive.

Also, your username confuses me. Are you close to having a mind (but not there yet!), thus making you Close-Minded? Or did you mean to say you're ClosedMinded? I don't think I'd admit to being closed minded - it's not something to be proud of.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

I don't know about everyone else, but I've found that if I'm truly wanting to have a discussion about something, it's counter productive to open with, "I don't care if I offend you - listen up!" That generally tends to make people a bit defensive.

I agree. I hate disclaimers in verbal and written communication. It sets the tone and shapes how people receive the message. Just say what you need to say and let others determine whether (insert common disclaimers).

I guess you all have decided this isn't a sockpuppet and the discussion is worth replying to. LOL.

[MaggieXi]

Membership selection is the private business of each organization.
Stop pushing your agenda.
The. End.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I guess you all have decided this isn't a sockpuppet and the discussion is worth replying to. LOL.

I thought it was a joke.