Starting a KKG chapter

[KDCat]

Originally Posted by TSteven

I suspect these groups followed NPC protocol – contacted the campus panhellenic, college administration for approval. Also requesting and receiving approval by the NPC sorority HQ as well as the NPC Extension Committee. Maybe not in that order, but at some point, these groups signed off on the affiliation.

The key, though, is that all of those groups have to agree. It's not up to the PNMs. I just watched the expansion process at Washington University in St. Louis. After the sororities made their presentation, the Expansion Committee voted, and then the faculty/administration voted, and then Panhel voted. All of those groups had to agree before a group was invited to colonize.

To me, the real wildcard was the faculty/administration approval. Faculty/adminstration have their own ideas and do their own thing sometimes. The faculty at my brother's college refused campus recognition for Campus Crusade for Christ, but allowed the same group of students to affliate with InterVarsity. It's still a mystery to me. I could totally see a campus administration deciding it would rather have one philanthropy over another, or one member development program over another, or rather have a historically Jewish sorority over a historically Christian sorority for diversity reasons.

In other words, pinning all your hopes on one NPC is counterproductive and stupid.

It's the same as regular recruitment. You really limit your chances of success if you have preconceived notions about what groups are acceptable and you limit yourself to only one choice.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by KDCat

The key, though, is that all of those groups have to agree. It's not up to the PNMs. I just watched the expansion process at Washington University in St. Louis. After the sororities made their presentation, the Expansion Committee voted, and then the faculty/administration voted, and then Panhel voted. All of those groups had to agree before a group was invited to colonize.

To me, the real wildcard was the faculty/administration approval. Faculty/adminstration have their own ideas and do their own thing sometimes. The faculty at my brother's college refused campus recognition for Campus Crusade for Christ, but allowed the same group of students to affliate with InterVarsity. It's still a mystery to me. I could totally see a campus administration deciding it would rather have one philanthropy over another, or one member development program over another, or rather have a historically Jewish sorority over a historically Christian sorority for diversity reasons.

It's the same as regular recruitment. You really limit your chances of success if you have preconceived notions about what groups are acceptable and you limit yourself to only one choice.

Thanks. And I do understand 100%. I just wanted to point out that the NPC supports this "type" of extension as well. And while it may not be the norm, it is allowed. That is *if* all groups agree.

Originally Posted by amIblue?

TSteven - You're also assuming that the NPC organization wants to be at the school.

No, I am not assuming that at all. I made sure to include "Also requesting and receiving approval by the NPC sorority HQ" as part of the NPC protocol.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by TSteven

Thanks. And I do understand 100%. I just wanted to point out that the NPC supports this "type" of extension as well. And while it may not be the norm, it is allowed. That is *if* all groups agree.



No, I am not assuming that at all. I made sure to include "Also requesting and receiving approval by the NPC sorority HQ" as part of the NPC protocol.

Yes, we do. That's how AOII got back our chapter at Youngstown by colonizing the Alpha Omega Pi sorority there. We wanted to go back, so it was a good fit. It wouldn't be the same for this case, however, (so OP don't get your hopes up for KKG) since there was no prior Kappa chapter, and the local group isn't headed by Kappas from another campus.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Yes, we do. That's how AOII got back our chapter at Youngstown by colonizing the Alpha Omega Pi sorority there. We wanted to go back, so it was a good fit. It wouldn't be the same for this case, however, (so OP don't get your hopes up for KKG) since there was no prior Kappa chapter, and the local group isn't headed by Kappas from another campus.

As I noted way up thread, and this may be an assumption on my part, the Murray State Campus Panhellenic and Administration most likely do not feel there is a need to add an NPC chapter at this time. So I don't see this even getting to the point where any NPC group might be contacted.

[exlurker]

Originally Posted by TSteven

As I noted way up thread, and this may be an assumption on my part, the Murray State Campus Panhellenic and Administration most likely do not feel there is a need to add an NPC chapter at this time. So I don't see this even getting to the point where any NPC group might be contacted.

Dates for "Spring" Informal 2012 there are on the web at

http://www.murraystate.edu/Campus/or...cruitment.aspx

Spring Informal Recruitment Dates:
Panhellenic Open House: January 25, 2012 (visit the Murray State Panhellenic Facebook Page for information)

Alpha Delta Pi: January 23 & 31, 2012 & February 7, 2012
Alpha Gamma Delta: February 7-9, 2012
Alpha Omicron Pi: February 1-3, 2012

So yes, I'd tend to agree with TSteven that it's unlikely that their Panhellenic feels a deep need -- or any need whatsoever, probably -- to bring another NPC org to campus. Given that three chapters are doing informal, it doesn't look like the system is bursting at the seams right now.

[DubaiSis]

Originally Posted by exlurker

So yes, I'd tend to agree with TSteven that it's unlikely that their Panhellenic feels a deep need -- or any need whatsoever, probably -- to bring another NPC org to campus. Given that three chapters are doing informal, it doesn't look like the system is bursting at the seams right now.

Clearly this isn't the case where you have a whole Greek system of chapters that are bursting at the seams and 1 who just can't seem to get out of a downward spiral. There are campuses who have this situation and expand anyway. This is 3 of 5 chapters who are not at total. Even if they're only off total by 1, they are still not bursting at the seams.

So disgruntled girl with busy-body gay boyfriend had her heart set on 1, maybe 2 chapters out of 5. And who here is surprised her rush didn't succeed? If any good could have come out of this thread, hopefully a discussion was had to re-think her distaste for the 3 options she does have in front of her.

Changing subject a bit, at least 2 of the 3 chapters who are doing informal took well over quota and are still not at chapter total. As opposed to expansion, I'm wondering if they've thought about reducing chapter total to 85 or so. Having to have an organized rush twice a year is stressful and expensive and if 3 of 5 chapters aren't making it in the first go I'd be looking at that and CERTAINLY not expansion.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

Clearly this isn't the case where you have a whole Greek system of chapters that are bursting at the seams and 1 who just can't seem to get out of a downward spiral. There are campuses who have this situation and expand anyway. This is 3 of 5 chapters who are not at total. Even if they're only off total by 1, they are still not bursting at the seams.

So disgruntled girl with busy-body gay boyfriend had her heart set on 1, maybe 2 chapters out of 5. And who here is surprised her rush didn't succeed? If any good could have come out of this thread, hopefully a discussion was had to re-think her distaste for the 3 options she does have in front of her.

Changing subject a bit, at least 2 of the 3 chapters who are doing informal took well over quota and are still not at chapter total. As opposed to expansion, I'm wondering if they've thought about reducing chapter total to 85 or so. Having to have an organized rush twice a year is stressful and expensive and if 3 of 5 chapters aren't making it in the first go I'd be looking at that and CERTAINLY not expansion.

This is what I wrote up thread.

Originally Posted by TSteven

For what it is worth, it is not unusual for one or more Murray State chapters to have informal recruitment in the spring.

My understanding is that most of the chapters are "right at" or “slightly over” total after fall rush. But after fall graduations, random early alum status, and with members studying abroad, any given chapter may be under total by a few members at the start of the spring semester. But still not enough "overall" to warrant expansion.

And just to expand on that, informal spring recruitment is not viewed as a negative. Most springs, the chapters that participate in informal recruitment end up filling their open spots with friends and/or those who may have been involved in time consuming fall activities - like marching band, fall sports etc.

By the way, I may have missed it, but I don't recall reading that the alleged "disgruntled girl" had rushed before, much less had her heart set on any of the chapters etc.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Yes, we do. That's how AOII got back our chapter at Youngstown by colonizing the Alpha Omega Pi sorority there. We wanted to go back, so it was a good fit. It wouldn't be the same for this case, however, (so OP don't get your hopes up for KKG) since there was no prior Kappa chapter, and the local group isn't headed by Kappas from another campus.

I know I've heard of counterexamples, too. I can't think of any off the top of my head, but there have DEFINITELY been instances when a group called Chi Omicron ended up affiliating with ASA or something like that.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

I know I've heard of counterexamples, too. I can't think of any off the top of my head, but there have DEFINITELY been instances when a group called Chi Omicron ended up affiliating with ASA or something like that.

A group called Zeta Tau whose colors were blue and gray, actually It was at agzg's school.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

I know I've heard of counterexamples, too. I can't think of any off the top of my head, but there have DEFINITELY been instances when a group called Chi Omicron ended up affiliating with ASA or something like that.

Oh definitely. It can be done, but it is a rare exception. All the power is in the hands of the Panhellenic association and in the NPC groups who can choose whether or not to apply. The interest groups are the beggers...they rarely get to be choosers.