Starting a KKG chapter

[KDCat]

Originally Posted by TSteven

Maybe I'm missing something, but how would an alleged interest group interested in Kappa Kappa Gamma be wrong in following one of Kappa Kappa Gamma’s procedures for extension? I suspect that Kappa Kappa Gamma follows NPC guidelines as well.

The following is from the link proved by AZ-AlphaXi regarding Kappa Kappa Gamma’s process on extension.



And above that quote, the Kappa Kappa Gamma website alludes to NPC policy.



(The bolding is mine)

If there are two or more NPC sororities on campus then the campus Panhel has to vote to accept another NPC sorority on campus.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by KDCat

The point was that a group of women cannot just call up an NPC sorority and invite them to campus. It's not like buying a McDonald's franchise. They have to go through the NPC expansion procedure.

If there are two or more NPC sororities on campus then the campus Panhel has to vote to accept another NPC sorority on campus. After that happens, NPC groups will send letters of interest and will make presentations regarding expansion.

Originally Posted by KDCat

If there are two or more NPC sororities on campus then the campus Panhel has to vote to accept another NPC sorority on campus.

Thanks. I do understand this. However, it seems that the NPC expansion procedure does allow a group of women to “request” (for lack of a better work) affiliation with a specific NPC sorority.

For example, under “Extension Information” listed on the NPC website, one of the "Inquiry Type" options is “I am a member of a local sorority/interest group that would like to pursue affiliation with an NPC group.” If it applies to the person's group making the inquiry, then they could continue to seek affiliation. If not, well it ends there.

In the Expansion Threads, there are posts noting NPC extensions where the local group wanted to affiliate with one specific NPC group. And there are NPC sorority members on Greek Chat who have discussed that their campus group petitioned (for lack of a better term) only one NPC sorority. So it has happed before.

I suspect these groups followed NPC protocol – contacted the campus panhellenic, college administration for approval. Also requesting and receiving approval by the NPC sorority HQ as well as the NPC Extension Committee. Maybe not in that order, but at some point, these groups signed off on the affiliation.

I understand this route to NPC affiliation is not the norm. However, as rigid as some may feel the NPC might be regarding affiliation, it seems like the NPC is willing to be flexible in certain situations.

[33girl]

This usually happens with groups that are religious interest or that have another sort of vested interest (i.e. 3 of the people in the interest group are members of ABC who transferred from another college and they're trying to start a new ABC chapter).

I mean if a group is calling themselves Epsilon Phi Alpha and they're all Jewish, any other NPC is probably going to get out of the way, no matter how desirable the campus is, because it's obvious what the group is looking for. If all a group can say about why they want a certain sorority is what the OP has outlined in his original post, that's usually not enough to 1) make other NPCs get out of the way or 2) impress the group they want enough to make them overlook any questions or issues they might have with the IG/college panhellenic/campus in general.

In other words, pinning all your hopes on one NPC is counterproductive and stupid. A lot of times women think "XYZ is at Big State U. If we bring XYZ here to Moo Cow College, it will create the kind of Greek life they have at Big State U." It just doesn't work that way.

[KDCat]

Originally Posted by TSteven

I suspect these groups followed NPC protocol – contacted the campus panhellenic, college administration for approval. Also requesting and receiving approval by the NPC sorority HQ as well as the NPC Extension Committee. Maybe not in that order, but at some point, these groups signed off on the affiliation.

The key, though, is that all of those groups have to agree. It's not up to the PNMs. I just watched the expansion process at Washington University in St. Louis. After the sororities made their presentation, the Expansion Committee voted, and then the faculty/administration voted, and then Panhel voted. All of those groups had to agree before a group was invited to colonize.

To me, the real wildcard was the faculty/administration approval. Faculty/adminstration have their own ideas and do their own thing sometimes. The faculty at my brother's college refused campus recognition for Campus Crusade for Christ, but allowed the same group of students to affliate with InterVarsity. It's still a mystery to me. I could totally see a campus administration deciding it would rather have one philanthropy over another, or one member development program over another, or rather have a historically Jewish sorority over a historically Christian sorority for diversity reasons.

In other words, pinning all your hopes on one NPC is counterproductive and stupid.

It's the same as regular recruitment. You really limit your chances of success if you have preconceived notions about what groups are acceptable and you limit yourself to only one choice.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by KDCat

The key, though, is that all of those groups have to agree. It's not up to the PNMs. I just watched the expansion process at Washington University in St. Louis. After the sororities made their presentation, the Expansion Committee voted, and then the faculty/administration voted, and then Panhel voted. All of those groups had to agree before a group was invited to colonize.

To me, the real wildcard was the faculty/administration approval. Faculty/adminstration have their own ideas and do their own thing sometimes. The faculty at my brother's college refused campus recognition for Campus Crusade for Christ, but allowed the same group of students to affliate with InterVarsity. It's still a mystery to me. I could totally see a campus administration deciding it would rather have one philanthropy over another, or one member development program over another, or rather have a historically Jewish sorority over a historically Christian sorority for diversity reasons.

It's the same as regular recruitment. You really limit your chances of success if you have preconceived notions about what groups are acceptable and you limit yourself to only one choice.

Thanks. And I do understand 100%. I just wanted to point out that the NPC supports this "type" of extension as well. And while it may not be the norm, it is allowed. That is *if* all groups agree.

Originally Posted by amIblue?

TSteven - You're also assuming that the NPC organization wants to be at the school.

No, I am not assuming that at all. I made sure to include "Also requesting and receiving approval by the NPC sorority HQ" as part of the NPC protocol.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by TSteven

Thanks. And I do understand 100%. I just wanted to point out that the NPC supports this "type" of extension as well. And while it may not be the norm, it is allowed. That is *if* all groups agree.



No, I am not assuming that at all. I made sure to include "Also requesting and receiving approval by the NPC sorority HQ" as part of the NPC protocol.

Yes, we do. That's how AOII got back our chapter at Youngstown by colonizing the Alpha Omega Pi sorority there. We wanted to go back, so it was a good fit. It wouldn't be the same for this case, however, (so OP don't get your hopes up for KKG) since there was no prior Kappa chapter, and the local group isn't headed by Kappas from another campus.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Yes, we do. That's how AOII got back our chapter at Youngstown by colonizing the Alpha Omega Pi sorority there. We wanted to go back, so it was a good fit. It wouldn't be the same for this case, however, (so OP don't get your hopes up for KKG) since there was no prior Kappa chapter, and the local group isn't headed by Kappas from another campus.

As I noted way up thread, and this may be an assumption on my part, the Murray State Campus Panhellenic and Administration most likely do not feel there is a need to add an NPC chapter at this time. So I don't see this even getting to the point where any NPC group might be contacted.

[exlurker]

Originally Posted by TSteven

As I noted way up thread, and this may be an assumption on my part, the Murray State Campus Panhellenic and Administration most likely do not feel there is a need to add an NPC chapter at this time. So I don't see this even getting to the point where any NPC group might be contacted.

Dates for "Spring" Informal 2012 there are on the web at

http://www.murraystate.edu/Campus/or...cruitment.aspx

Spring Informal Recruitment Dates:
Panhellenic Open House: January 25, 2012 (visit the Murray State Panhellenic Facebook Page for information)

Alpha Delta Pi: January 23 & 31, 2012 & February 7, 2012
Alpha Gamma Delta: February 7-9, 2012
Alpha Omicron Pi: February 1-3, 2012

So yes, I'd tend to agree with TSteven that it's unlikely that their Panhellenic feels a deep need -- or any need whatsoever, probably -- to bring another NPC org to campus. Given that three chapters are doing informal, it doesn't look like the system is bursting at the seams right now.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Yes, we do. That's how AOII got back our chapter at Youngstown by colonizing the Alpha Omega Pi sorority there. We wanted to go back, so it was a good fit. It wouldn't be the same for this case, however, (so OP don't get your hopes up for KKG) since there was no prior Kappa chapter, and the local group isn't headed by Kappas from another campus.

I know I've heard of counterexamples, too. I can't think of any off the top of my head, but there have DEFINITELY been instances when a group called Chi Omicron ended up affiliating with ASA or something like that.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

I know I've heard of counterexamples, too. I can't think of any off the top of my head, but there have DEFINITELY been instances when a group called Chi Omicron ended up affiliating with ASA or something like that.

A group called Zeta Tau whose colors were blue and gray, actually It was at agzg's school.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

I know I've heard of counterexamples, too. I can't think of any off the top of my head, but there have DEFINITELY been instances when a group called Chi Omicron ended up affiliating with ASA or something like that.

Oh definitely. It can be done, but it is a rare exception. All the power is in the hands of the Panhellenic association and in the NPC groups who can choose whether or not to apply. The interest groups are the beggers...they rarely get to be choosers.