discrimination

[sammysammy225]

As are in the questions...

It is regarding a friend and what I found extremely odd is how fraternities and sororities are above the law. I would like to know the reasoning as to why that is.

Everyone has already answered your questions adequately and, I think, rather politely considering your attitude. You're trying to pick fights. We had nothing to do with you/your friend being rejected. Your beef is not with us. Sorry if you don't like the answers provided.

if the answers weren't simple denial it was an acceptance that this is a normal behavior and that nothing can be done. for some reason these groups are above the law?

Which is it - your friend has "been there a lot for me and for many people", which would suggest he has "many" friends, or "he doesn't have a lot of friends" ?

Why is it one or the other? yes he has helped a lot of people, done a lot, yet they in turn bully him after he helped him.

If he in fact has social issues with other people then there is your answer; he may not have been given a bid because of social awkwardness or lack of social skills. Maybe. WE DON'T KNOW.

I have written several times and not sure why I continue to have to. But the fraternity written an actual letter not only being derogatory but their actions after he tried to join which included trying to get others to bully him.

Just a thought, you stated he had learning disabilities that was the stated reason for his rejection. If he is taking remedial classes or classes that do not lead to a degree as a result of his disability, THAT could preclude his membership. The vast majority of GLOs require that you be registered in a "degree seeking course of study."

No receives extended time, note taker and use of notes on tests.

I have to again state this, the fraternity wrote a letter and stapled it to his door in the dorms. It read "we reject you, we do not want any motherf***ing retards in our frat. dont dare showing your face. you do we will kick the s*** out of you go f****ing die. go sit in your special ed classes"

are you sure it has nothing to do with the disability?

learning disabilities would factor into a bid decision

people are never bully others? fraternities never bully?

I actually contacted someone within my law school about this, another student, about to graduate. they wrote:

Their answers are profoundly ignorant and lacking in logic. I really hope that none of them are majoring in English or Law. A group can be exclusive but not discriminatory and discrimination is wrong.

Fraternity and sorority groups are all managed by a central organization that has to register itself with the IRS as a business or non-profit organization. Businesses that work across different states cannot discriminate; those that use any supplies from different states also cannot discriminate. Non profit organizations must not only adhere to the set rules for businesses but also adhere to rules set by the IRS for non profit organizations specifically. With the passage of the ADA in 1990 made those with disabilities a protected class.

Secondly, organizations that run all the fraternities and sororities do not want any negative attention given to their group so allowing any discrimination would not be tolerated or they would pull the charters.
Thirdly, if they written a letter, sent text messages referring to him with derogatory language in order to get other to bully and performed other actions then I would say he should contact the school, headquarters of the fraternity and a lawyer. While this hasn’t really been brought to trial before, idea that fraternities can discriminate is a joke.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by sammysammy225

I have to again state this, the fraternity wrote a letter and stapled it to his door in the dorms. It read "we reject you, we do not want any motherf***ing retards in our frat. dont dare showing your face. you do we will kick the s*** out of you go f****ing die. go sit in your special ed classes"

LOL

Please shut the fuck up. This is ridiculous and you look like an idiot.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by sammysammy225

It is regarding a friend and what I found extremely odd is how fraternities and sororities are above the law.

Please cite tha law you think they are claiming to be above.

As for the quote from your (still-has-much-to-learn) "law student," funny how he or she misuses the word "written" in place of "wrote" (as in, they/the fraternity written a letter") in exactly the same way that you have throughout your posts.

[sammysammy225]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Please cite tha law you think they are claiming to be above.

As for the quote from your (still-has-much-to-learn) "law student," funny how he or she misuses the word "written" in place of "wrote" (as in, they/the fraternity written a letter") in exactly the same way that you have throughout your posts.

What seriously? How stupid is this forum? ada and brown v. board would be some of the laws that are against discrimination? who doesn't know that there are laws against discrimination?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by sammysammy225

What seriously? How stupid is this forum? ada and brown v. board would be some of the laws that are against discrimination? who doesn't know that there are laws against discrimination?

How stupid are you? First of all, you were typing to an attorney. Second of all, you are the one who claims exclusion on the basis of discrimination.

If you are going to be all dumb and psycho over your rejection, at least use this as an opportunity to learn more about Greekdom. If you acted then as you are acting now, I can see how your rejection was well-founded.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by sammysammy225

What seriously? How stupid is this forum? ada and brown v. board would be some of the laws that are against discrimination? who doesn't know that there are laws against discrimination?

The person you are calling stupid is actually on the Bar of the Supreme Court. So I think he would have a general idea what he is talking about.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

The person you are calling stupid is actually on the Bar of the Supreme Court. So I think he would have a general idea what he is talking about.

And don't forget, he is the Chief Justice of Greek Chat!

[MysticCat]

Court will come to order.

Originally Posted by sammysammy225

What seriously? How stupid is this forum? ada and brown v. board would be some of the laws that are against discrimination? who doesn't know that there are laws against discrimination?

Okay, first off: Brown v. Board of Education (which is a case, not a "law") or any other case that is based on constitutional rights only applies to the government (state or federal). Only the government is bound by the Constitution, so only the government can violate someone's constitutional rights. Public school. Yep. Private organization. Nope.

So, if you're dealing with a private organization, you've got to find some other law that says a private organization cannot discriminate against you for whatever specific reason. The ADA won't get you where you need to be: It prohibits discrimination in employment and discrimination by public entities (schools, government offices, public transportation, public parks, etc.), public accomodations (hotels) and commercial facilites (restaurants, stores, movie theaters, etc.). It does not apply to membership in private organizations.

And by the way, asserting (correctly) that the situation you've described doesn't violate the laws you think it does does not equate to being "supportive of discrimination of all kinds." This forum is not that stupid.

[DTD Alum]

Originally Posted by sammysammy225

I have to again state this, the fraternity wrote a letter and stapled it to his door in the dorms. It read "we reject you, we do not want any motherf***ing retards in our frat. dont dare showing your face. you do we will kick the s*** out of you go f****ing die. go sit in your special ed classes"

Absolutely never happened.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by DTD Alum

Absolutely never happened.

I think perhaps one of his other personalities wrote it. We've seen the OP, his friend, and some law student already.