Keeping College Students from Voting

[DrPhil]

Does Iowa require photo ID?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Does Iowa require photo ID?

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[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

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And the L&O gavel.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Does Iowa require photo ID?

I'm not surprised that a States Primary caucus would have leaner restrictions on voting but who's the schmuck that wrote this article? LOL

time you hear a supporter of one of these voter suppression laws claim, as they do in their usual talking points, that photo ID is required to fly on a plane or to buy a beer or a pack of cigarettes, so why not for voting? Please let them know that, no, photo ID is not required to fly on a plane, as the commercial airlines are not about to keep millions of Americans who don't have such IDs from flying. Furthermore, while I've purchased cigarettes and beer many times over the last several decades, I can't recall the last time anybody ever required me to show a photo ID before doing so.

Nonetheless, even if photo ID were required for each of the transactions mentioned above (and it isn't)

I'm pretty sure TSA won't even let you into the terminal let alone board a plane without showing some form of ID at the security checkpoint.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I'm not surprised that a States Primary caucus would have leaner restrictions on voting but who's the schmuck that wrote this article? LOL

(blog)

Brad Friedman's bio

What is the reasoning behind primary caucuses having leaner restrictions?

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I'm pretty sure TSA won't even let you into the terminal let alone board a plane without showing some form of ID at the security checkpoint.

The topic is requiring photo ID (usually a driver's license), not just any form of ID.

What TSA says about photo ID

Of course, what Brad Friedman says in his blog about purchasing cigarettes and alcohol without photo ID (driver's license) is legally inaccurate. However, it may unfortunately be the case that he has rarely if ever been required to show a photo ID (driver's license) when purchasing cigarettes or alcohol. He unfortunately will not be the first American to claim that. (Those of us who look younger than our years and also do not live in areas where smoking and drinking are religious pastimes cannot relate to not being asked for photo IDs for damnneareverything. )

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69% of 1,000 Likely Voters Surveyed say photo ID not discriminatory

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

(blog)

Brad Friedman's bio

What is the reasoning behind primary caucuses having leaner restrictions?



The topic is requiring photo ID (usually a driver's license), not just any form of ID.

What TSA says about photo ID

Of course, what Brad Friedman says in his blog about purchasing cigarettes and alcohol without photo ID (driver's license) is legally inaccurate. However, it may unfortunately be the case that he has rarely if ever been required to show a photo ID (driver's license) when purchasing cigarettes or alcohol. He unfortunately will not be the first American to claim that. (Those of us who look younger than our years and also do not live in areas where smoking and drinking are religious pastimes cannot relate to not being asked for photo IDs for damnneareverything. )

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69% of 1,000 Likely Voters Surveyed say photo ID not discriminatory

Maybe because it's a state level election that is for a political candidate, not necessarily an elected position. Maybe it was bad wording on my part...for example, I can only vote in the general election because I am neither registered as a democrat nor a republican, so in that regard primaries are more restrictive as to whom can participate.

I also wouldn't recommend showing up at the airport without photo ID unless you don't mind showing up 8 hours before your flight leaves or you don't mind missing your flight. I'm not too familiar with TSA but I've seen (a few times) people who've lost their passport detained 5-6 hours upon entering the country while DHS verifies their identity.


ETA- How about we join the rest of the world and get a photo voter registration card?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Maybe because it's a state level election that is for a political candidate, not necessarily an elected position.

Is this why the Iowa caucus does not require a photo ID? The Iowa caucus is supposed to be a big darn deal for the Republican presidential hopefuls.

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Maybe it was bad wording on my part...for example, I can only vote in the general election because I am neither registered as a democrat nor a republican, so in that regard primaries are more restrictive as to whom can participate.

I am a registered Independent. What you are saying here seems counter to what you said about primaries being more lenient. LOL.

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I also wouldn't recommend showing up at the airport without photo ID unless you don't mind showing up 8 hours before your flight leaves or you don't mind missing your flight. I'm not too familiar with TSA but I've seen (a few times) people who've lost their passport detained 5-6 hours upon entering the country while DHS verifies their identity.

Not recommending it is not the same thing as a photo ID being required.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Maybe because it's a state level election that is for a political candidate, not necessarily an elected position.

A primary (and a caucus) is not an election -- it's a nomination process, where the party is choosing its nominees to run for election. While a state determines who is registered to vote, a party (at least under the laws of many if not most states) generally determines which registered voters may participate in its nomination process.


SWTXBelle, thanks for the explanation. I follow now.

As for this:

Part of the problem is the inability to measure voter fraud. We hear about it only when it is discovered, but under the current system even finding it can be problematic. Unless there is a complaint, there will be no investigation. Unless it is obvious, who is going to invest the time and money into investigating it? Is the potential for voter fraud there? If so, how do we prevent it? So to me the basic question is - Given that in order to vote we have some basic requirements (age, residency, citizenship, criminal status), is requiring id as a means of establishing that requirements are met too much to ask? Obviously, many think it is. Time and the courts will tell.

Where I live, parties and candidates invest lots of resources having observers at the polls ready to challenge any voter they even think might not be eligible to vote. Voters are regularly challenged. I bet the same thing happens in Texas. I'm not at all sure the problem is undiscovered and undiscoverable.

Here's the thing: I'm not opposed to photo IDs per se. But I am opposed to dishonest discussion. If someone is promoting photo IDs for the purpose of combatting voter fraud, then I think it's more than reasonable to ask how extensive the voter fraud is (or isn't) and whether photo IDs will make any difference. Otherwise, at best we're adding a layer of red tape for elections officials that makes no real difference, and at worst we're keeping some people from voting who are eligible to vote. I'll admit it: I'm the skeptic who, when I hear someone warning of massive voter fraud and saying we must have photo ID to prevent it (and stirring up the populace to think voter fraud is epidemic), wonders where the evidence is and wonders what the real agenda is.

Well, actually I don't wonder what the real agenda is. I think it's pretty clear: Suppress the votes of people not likely to vote for "us," whoever "us" may be.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

A primary (and a caucus) is not an election -- it's a nomination process, where the party is choosing its nominees to run for election. While a state determines who is registered to vote, a party (at least under the laws of many if not most states) generally determines which registered voters may participate in its nomination process.

How convenient.

Political parties/politicians do a lot of things that are convenient.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I'm pretty sure TSA won't even let you into the terminal let alone board a plane without showing some form of ID at the security checkpoint.

For various reasons, I've flown on multiple occasions without any form of photo ID - I'm sure a good number of people who travel for work have had the same happen as well. The procedures are actually fairly painless.