Drinking during pledging?

[JDCookMS]

Originally Posted by jazing

I would hope everyone can make this statement. I will go along agreeing to the same.

Yeah, well, unfortunately I know that that's not true even on my own campus for some chapters. I wish that it could be said for hazing in general, but that's not always the case.

[flopchop]

One of my pledge brothers didn't drink during pledging. He wasn't forced to drink, but there were several times when the rest of us would have to drink his share. It is all about pledge class unity.

Although most pledge processes are suppose to be dry, I've found that at least at my college, it really means the candidate educator will decide for you when you're going to drink. Not only is that an inconvenience, but it is a way for him/her to monitor how much alcohol you're consuming to keep things safe.

I wouldn't let that discourage you from deciding to pledge. Most respectable chapters will never put you in any sort of danger or force one to do something. Although at the time you may think they are, but that is most likely because you are nervous or something.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by flopchop

Although most pledge processes are suppose to be dry, I've found that at least at my college, it really means the candidate educator will decide for you when you're going to drink. Not only is that an inconvenience, but it is a way for him/her to monitor how much alcohol you're consuming to keep things safe.

No, it is a way to haze.

If the pledges are underage (not to mention the educator) alcohol should be a moot point. If a pledge is not underage, and someone's not "allowing" him to drink (in a situation where drinking would be acceptable) that is HAZING.

I don't know how many times I have to say this...DRY PLEDGING IS HAZING. As would be not allowing pledges to smoke, or drive, or do anything else that the laws of the state/town/country deem legal for their age.

[flopchop]

Originally Posted by 33girl

No, it is a way to haze.

If the pledges are underage (not to mention the educator) alcohol should be a moot point. If a pledge is not underage, and someone's not "allowing" him to drink (in a situation where drinking would be acceptable) that is HAZING.

I don't know how many times I have to say this...DRY PLEDGING IS HAZING. As would be not allowing pledges to smoke, or drive, or do anything else that the laws of the state/town/country deem legal for their age.

You know what else is hazing? Mandatory study hours for pledges. How many colleges/universities crack down on that? None that I know of.

I'm not sure what you're arguing but I'm willing to bet that almost every single greek organization in the country has at one point or another hazed their pledges. It may go unnoticed or it may be unintentional, but there is a certain degree of hazing in every education process. Some haze more than others and some haze worse than others.

I'm not condoning hazing, but in my opinion, people need to stop being so naive about it. It happens...even on the most minute of scales.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by flopchop

You know what else is hazing? Mandatory study hours for pledges. How many colleges/universities crack down on that? None that I know of.

I'm not sure what you're arguing but I'm willing to bet that almost every single greek organization in the country has at one point or another hazed their pledges. It may go unnoticed or it may be unintentional, but there is a certain degree of hazing in every education process. Some haze more than others and some haze worse than others.

I'm not condoning hazing, but in my opinion, people need to stop being so naive about it. It happens...even on the most minute of scales.

What?

You think that having a pledge educator serve drinks is a way for him to monitor alcohol consumption, and others are being naive?

[WhiteRose1912]

Originally Posted by flopchop

It may go unnoticed or it may be unintentional, but there is a certain degree of hazing in every education process.

No.

Originally Posted by jazing

That is hazing. Study hours while not at class is far from it.

Just because something has a positive result doesn't mean it's not hazing. We're only allowed to require study hours for members who are below our minimum grade standard. Some organizations are okay with it as long as everyone must meet the requirement.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by WhiteRose1912

Just because something has a positive result doesn't mean it's not hazing. We're only allowed to require study hours for members who are below our minimum grade standard. Some organizations are okay with it as long as everyone must meet the requirement.

If most of your pledges are first-semester freshmen, then they can be viewed as not yet having met your minimum grade standard. Your requirement can be phrased as "members/pledges without an established college GPA higher than X must do study hours". It's a fine distinction, but I really don't know of any instances where a group got in trouble for having pledges do study hours.