Survivor: South Pacific (Survivor Season 23)

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

What the hell people??? You're supposed to entertain me, not sit around and whine like babies. If I wanted this kind of "entertainment", I'd get my kids out of bed and let one pinch the other and watch the ensuing chaos. Next.Cast.Please.

I totally take this back...great episode. Wow.

Hate to agree with Brandon, but he was right as they left tribal...they brought it on themselves treating Coachman like crap and then asking for his help.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Hate to agree with Brandon, but he was right as they left tribal...they brought it on themselves treating Coachman like crap and then asking for his help.

I had that same thought. Not only asking for his help, but expecting it as though it was owed them.

I still can't decide whether I think Cochrane made the smart move or not (in terms of his own game), but the previous had my eyes rolling so hard that I thought I might dislocate them. Whitney in his face telling him how he "disgusts" her? Maybe somebody needs to explain to Whitney and some of the others what game they're playing.

[AlphaFrog]

I have no idea why autospell changed Cochrane to Coachman...but anyway...

For now I'm going to say that he made a smart move for himself. For one, he avoided having to pick a rock (still a stupid tie breaker, in my opinion). He got rid of Keith, who was one of his biggest bullies. Either way, he's still at the bottom of the totem pole...EXCEPT now that he's shown he can be flexible, he might be able to put himself in a tie breaker situation (again) when the majority alliance has to start turning on eachother. It might be decided as well that he's good jury fodder and therefore more beneficial to keep around than someone else in the majority alliance.

The two downsides I can see are that he pissed off his former tribe who, if things continue in the current pattern, will make up the majority of the jury and the old saying about the evil you know being better than the evil you don't. I don't know that he had much of a shot of getting jury votes whichever direction he went (hence the jury fodder comment above), so he may have at least increased his consolation prize money.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

For now I'm going to say that he made a smart move for himself. For one, he avoided having to pick a rock (still a stupid tie breaker, in my opinion).

This is the main reason I lean toward smart move. (And why don't they go back to something like building fire?) And I agree with just about everything else you said.

As for who goes to the jury and it being mostly Savaii, I wonder. Ozzy has a chance of going to the end -- he has a way of dominating in challenges. We could see Keith return from RI. And I don't know how much longer Brandon can last.

I did find myself wondering last night whether Ozzy, Jim, Keith and Whitney were watching last night and realizing the truth of what Brandon said -- that Cochrane turned because of the way they treated him.

Frankly, I kind of ached for Cochrane last night -- it's like he so wants to be the kid who fits in and never has, it was a little painful to watch. That was especially the case when, as soon as Keith was voted out, Cochrane turned around to Ozzy and Jim to say "I swapped. I'll explain later." It was like he just couldn't help himself. "Please like me anyway."

But I did moan when Coach was giving Conchrane the pep talk. Actually, much of what he said was good and remarkably sane and kind, but then he had to go and add "I wasn't always the Dragon Slayer."

Connection with reality lost. But Cochrane has an opportunity with Coach if he can take advantage of it. He's someone for Coach to mentor and protect.

[AlphaFrog]

I keep forgetting to figure RI into the equation...probably because it's such a big question mark. I love it and hate it for that. I can't decide if it adds an additional layer of strategy or additional layer of dumb luck.

Also, did anyone follow Ozzy's logic of why he gave the HII to Whitney? To me, Keith (or maybe Jim, but definitely Keith) was the obvious target. The only one that would have been more obvious would have been Ozzy himself had he not won immunity. I also missed their logic in voting for Rick and not Coach (or maybe Brandon) who is a bigger challenge threat.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I keep forgetting to figure RI into the equation...probably because it's such a big question mark. I love it and hate it for that. I can't decide if it adds an additional layer of strategy or additional layer of dumb luck.

Also, did anyone follow Ozzy's logic of why he gave the HII to Whitney? To me, Keith (or maybe Jim, but definitely Keith) was the obvious target. The only one that would have been more obvious would have been Ozzy himself had he not won immunity. I also missed their logic in voting for Rick and not Coach (or maybe Brandon) who is a bigger challenge threat.

The question in your second paragraph is answered in your first. They assumed Upolo wouldn't vote for Keith because they wouldn't send a stronger player to RI where he could pull a Matt. (I don't know that they were smart to think that, but that's what they were thinking.)

As for Rick, Savaii thought he was least likely to have an immunity idol.

What Probst has to say about last night is interesting, and he agrees with us about not letting it go to drawing rocks.

[AlphaFrog]

I don't see the strategy in not sending strong players to RI. So what if they pull a Matt? At least they're doing it on RI and not in the immunity challenges, which is giving your alliance's stronger players a chance to win immunity. Also, if you do the math, those stronger players are going to end up there eventually, so why not send them sooner rather than later on the chance that they'll have an off day or one of the challenges will involve more brains or luck than brawn or skill and they'll be eliminated.