Survivor: South Pacific (Survivor Season 23)

AlphaFrog · #1 10-06-2011, 06:12 AM

What the hell people??? You're supposed to entertain me, not sit around and whine like babies. If I wanted this kind of "entertainment", I'd get my kids out of bed and let one pinch the other and watch the ensuing chaos. Next.Cast.Please.

AlphaFrog · #2 10-19-2011, 08:52 PM

It's two vs. two and two left over...it really sounded like a good chance for Rick to make a big move. But I bet he doesn't.

AlphaFrog · #3 10-20-2011, 08:52 AM

Well, Edna and Mikayla are certainly NOT the strategic masterminds they were accused of last night...

When it was all lain out before them (everyone pretty much said how they were voting), how was the third choice there not obvious for Edna and Mikayla? You got Coach and Brandon going one way and Sophie and Al going another. That means it only takes 3 votes to decide the outcome. The girls should have decided to work together and pull Rick in. Taking out Brandon would have been a fabulous move for the 3 of them. I don't think in Edna's case she would have voted for Coach and Mikayla probably wouldn't have voted for Al. Sophie is sort of a non-entity for me at this point, which is why I said Brandon. Their other option would have been to forgo Rick and try and pull Sophie into an all-girls alliance. She's a bit higher on the totem pole, though she might have fine for it to get Brandon out.

I like Cochran more each week. For as awkward as he is, he's also extremely self-aware. It's strange to me because I generally feel like the awkwardness in people like him comes from not being self-aware....and OMG, I just realized who he reminds me of (I was thinking Anthony Rapp or Anthony Michael Hall before, but that wasn't quite right...) Sherman from American Pie! That's it, what's been escaping me about him!

MysticCat · #4 10-21-2011, 11:04 AM

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When it was all lain out before them (everyone pretty much said how they were voting), how was the third choice there not obvious for Edna and Mikayla? You got Coach and Brandon going one way and Sophie and Al going another. That means it only takes 3 votes to decide the outcome. The girls should have decided to work together and pull Rick in.

I was so disappointed in them for not trying. But all I could think was that the crazy from Coach and Brandon just provides too much interference for actual thinking.

But after Brandon's TC speech (seriously, what an idiot), can't you just see the reaction coming when he realizes that Coach lied about the HII. (Sorry, Coach, you didn't just withhold info, you lied. He asked whether you thought someone else could have found and it you said no.)

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I like Cochran more each week. For as awkward as he is, he's also extremely self-aware.

Agreed. But he also seems to be remarkably weak. He seemed clueless and worthless on helping them up-end the wheel-barrow. He's lucky they won the challenge.

And I'll just say -- one thing I like about this season is how neither tribe has gone on a rampage and decimated the other tribe. They're both at six people (not couning RI) with merge coming. Keeps it interesting.

SydneyK · #5 10-21-2011, 12:29 PM

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I like Cochran more each week.

Interesting. I really wanted to like him, and I do to an extent, but he seems to disappoint week after week. Never in my Survivor-watching history have I felt so sorry for someone so consistently. And what's weird is that he's not trying to do it (the way some Survivors blatantly play the victim). He just seems lost, out of place, and yes, like MC said, weak. I can't stop feeling sorry for the poor guy. Only once I stop feeling like his heart needs blessed can I start really liking him. I'm ready for him to step up so that can happen.

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the crazy from Coach and Brandon just provides too much interference for actual thinking.

lol - yes, this has to be it. My brain hurts just thinking about what it must be like to be unable to escape from those two.

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And I'll just say -- one thing I like about this season is how neither tribe has gone on a rampage and decimated the other tribe. They're both at six people (not couning RI) with merge coming. Keeps it interesting.

Agreed.

AlphaFrog · #6 11-02-2011, 09:00 PM

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What the hell people??? You're supposed to entertain me, not sit around and whine like babies. If I wanted this kind of "entertainment", I'd get my kids out of bed and let one pinch the other and watch the ensuing chaos. Next.Cast.Please.

I totally take this back...great episode. Wow.

Hate to agree with Brandon, but he was right as they left tribal...they brought it on themselves treating Coachman like crap and then asking for his help.

MysticCat · #7 11-03-2011, 08:55 AM

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Hate to agree with Brandon, but he was right as they left tribal...they brought it on themselves treating Coachman like crap and then asking for his help.

I had that same thought. Not only asking for his help, but expecting it as though it was owed them.

I still can't decide whether I think Cochrane made the smart move or not (in terms of his own game), but the previous had my eyes rolling so hard that I thought I might dislocate them. Whitney in his face telling him how he "disgusts" her? Maybe somebody needs to explain to Whitney and some of the others what game they're playing.

AlphaFrog · #8 11-03-2011, 09:18 AM

I have no idea why autospell changed Cochrane to Coachman...but anyway...

For now I'm going to say that he made a smart move for himself. For one, he avoided having to pick a rock (still a stupid tie breaker, in my opinion). He got rid of Keith, who was one of his biggest bullies. Either way, he's still at the bottom of the totem pole...EXCEPT now that he's shown he can be flexible, he might be able to put himself in a tie breaker situation (again) when the majority alliance has to start turning on eachother. It might be decided as well that he's good jury fodder and therefore more beneficial to keep around than someone else in the majority alliance.

The two downsides I can see are that he pissed off his former tribe who, if things continue in the current pattern, will make up the majority of the jury and the old saying about the evil you know being better than the evil you don't. I don't know that he had much of a shot of getting jury votes whichever direction he went (hence the jury fodder comment above), so he may have at least increased his consolation prize money.

MysticCat · #9 11-03-2011, 09:32 AM

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For now I'm going to say that he made a smart move for himself. For one, he avoided having to pick a rock (still a stupid tie breaker, in my opinion).

This is the main reason I lean toward smart move. (And why don't they go back to something like building fire?) And I agree with just about everything else you said.

As for who goes to the jury and it being mostly Savaii, I wonder. Ozzy has a chance of going to the end -- he has a way of dominating in challenges. We could see Keith return from RI. And I don't know how much longer Brandon can last.

I did find myself wondering last night whether Ozzy, Jim, Keith and Whitney were watching last night and realizing the truth of what Brandon said -- that Cochrane turned because of the way they treated him.

Frankly, I kind of ached for Cochrane last night -- it's like he so wants to be the kid who fits in and never has, it was a little painful to watch. That was especially the case when, as soon as Keith was voted out, Cochrane turned around to Ozzy and Jim to say "I swapped. I'll explain later." It was like he just couldn't help himself. "Please like me anyway."

But I did moan when Coach was giving Conchrane the pep talk. Actually, much of what he said was good and remarkably sane and kind, but then he had to go and add "I wasn't always the Dragon Slayer."

Connection with reality lost. But Cochrane has an opportunity with Coach if he can take advantage of it. He's someone for Coach to mentor and protect.

AlphaFrog · #10 11-03-2011, 09:44 AM

I keep forgetting to figure RI into the equation...probably because it's such a big question mark. I love it and hate it for that. I can't decide if it adds an additional layer of strategy or additional layer of dumb luck.

Also, did anyone follow Ozzy's logic of why he gave the HII to Whitney? To me, Keith (or maybe Jim, but definitely Keith) was the obvious target. The only one that would have been more obvious would have been Ozzy himself had he not won immunity. I also missed their logic in voting for Rick and not Coach (or maybe Brandon) who is a bigger challenge threat.

MysticCat · #11 11-03-2011, 10:13 AM

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I keep forgetting to figure RI into the equation...probably because it's such a big question mark. I love it and hate it for that. I can't decide if it adds an additional layer of strategy or additional layer of dumb luck.

Also, did anyone follow Ozzy's logic of why he gave the HII to Whitney? To me, Keith (or maybe Jim, but definitely Keith) was the obvious target. The only one that would have been more obvious would have been Ozzy himself had he not won immunity. I also missed their logic in voting for Rick and not Coach (or maybe Brandon) who is a bigger challenge threat.

The question in your second paragraph is answered in your first. They assumed Upolo wouldn't vote for Keith because they wouldn't send a stronger player to RI where he could pull a Matt. (I don't know that they were smart to think that, but that's what they were thinking.)

As for Rick, Savaii thought he was least likely to have an immunity idol.

What Probst has to say about last night is interesting, and he agrees with us about not letting it go to drawing rocks.