Bid Lists 2011

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by barbino

I scanned your post quickly. I believe that you did not understand what I meant. I inferred that the trend would continue to include both TN and KY, which while members of the SEC do not have ultracompetitive Panhellenic recruitments -- yet. I did not mean it to be snarky; altough I could see how some might take it that way. I am very proud of both UK and my own chapter (check my personal profile). Welcome to GC, newbie. Don't sulk, come join in the fun. Oh-- and all Panhellenic women rock!!!!

Oh, I didn't explain myself well. I read your post, but it came out all huffy. I should have checked your profile before saying anything because I honestly saw that you are in Chicago and thought to myself "What the heck does she know about the SEC?" The noob learns a GC lesson - you know, the one about assuming.

What I was trying to express were mainly these things:

1. Students from Georgia (at least the hundreds that I worked with over the past decade) are/have been pursuing Tennessee along with Auburn & Alabama since UGA became more competitive due to the Hope Scholarship.

2. Since Tennessee began offering the Hope Scholarship a few years ago, it has become more competitive academically a la UGA, which has led to slightly smaller PNM groups and quotas. When I was at UT, there were 15 NPC groups. Now there are 13.

3. Because UT is becoming more competitive academically due to the Hope Scholarship, it really isn't going to be as viable an option for those students who are seeking an SEC-like experience but may not be able to get into UGA.

OK....really this was all off the original topic anyway, so 'nuff said.

More bid lists, please. Monmouth Duo love, dear Barbino!

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

Oh, I didn't explain myself well. I read your post, but it came out all huffy. I should have checked your profile before saying anything because I honestly saw that you are in Chicago and thought to myself "What the heck does she know about the SEC?" The noob learns a GC lesson - you know, the one about assuming.

What I was trying to express were mainly these things:

1. Students from Georgia (at least the hundreds that I worked with over the past decade) are/have been pursuing Tennessee along with Auburn & Alabama since UGA became more competitive due to the Hope Scholarship.

2. Since Tennessee began offering the Hope Scholarship a few years ago, it has become more competitive academically a la UGA, which has led to slightly smaller PNM groups and quotas. When I was at UT, there were 15 NPC groups. Now there are 13.

3. Because UT is becoming more competitive academically due to the Hope Scholarship, it really isn't going to be as viable an option for those students who are seeking an SEC-like experience but may not be able to get into UGA.

OK....really this was all off the original topic anyway, so 'nuff said.

More bid lists, please. Monmouth Duo love, dear Barbino!

I think y'all are both saying the same thing.

When barbino and I attended UK - and I should add I had family (black sheep of course ) who attend that school down in Knoxville around the same time - both schools didn't always get a lot of students from other states within the SEC footprint - like Georgia, Florida or Alabama. However, I happened to know quite a few Mississippians who attended Kentucky. Go figure.

To be clear, UK and UT are now - and have always been - SEC schools through and through. And when it comes to rush, both are competitive. However, perhaps not at the level of say Bama, Ole Miss and Auburn. At least not yet.

However, over the years, more and more students attending UK now come from other states within the SEC footprint. As such, some of the so called "uber-competitiveness" that some may feel is the "norm" at their "home" SEC school, is now being brought to Kentucky. And I suspect to Tennessee as well.

At least that is how I interpreted barbino's posts.


^^^ Now this is Old School.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by TSteven

I think y'all are both saying the same thing.

When barbino and I attended UK - and I should add I had family (black sheep of course ) who attend that school down in Knoxville around the same time - both schools didn't always get a lot of students from other states within the SEC footprint - like Georgia, Florida or Alabama. However, I happened to know quite a few Mississippians who attended Kentucky. Go figure.

To be clear, UK and UT are now - and have always been - SEC schools through and through. And when it comes to rush, both are competitive. However, perhaps not at the level of say Bama, Ole Miss and Auburn. At least not yet.

However, over the years, more and more students attending UK now come from other states within the SEC footprint. As such, some of the so called "uber-competitiveness" that some may feel is the "norm" at their "home" SEC school, is now being brought to Kentucky. And I suspect to Tennessee as well.

At least that is how I interpreted barbino's posts.

Except, my experience at Tennessee was that a ton of students attended Tennessee who are from Georgia, the Georgia kids that I worked with were more often likely as not to be trying to get into Tennessee (the fact that I had attended UT was serendipitous), and now this same demographic is having a more difficult time getting in because of the Hope Scholarship now being in place in Tennessee. My expectation is that UT is going to be increasingly challenging from an admissions standpoint, just as has happened with UGA. I have no clue as to what's happening at UK, even though I am friends with some alums.

LOVE the old school photo!

More bid lists, please!

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

Except, my experience at Tennessee was that a ton of students attended Tennessee who are from Georgia, the Georgia kids that I worked with were more often likely as not to be trying to get into Tennessee (the fact that I had attended UT was serendipitous), and now this same demographic is having a more difficult time getting in because of the Hope Scholarship now being in place in Tennessee. My expectation is that UT is going to be increasingly challenging from an admissions standpoint, just as has happened with UGA. I have no clue as to what's happening at UK, even though I am friends with some alums.

LOVE the old school photo!

More bid lists, please!

I understand. The state of Georgia is pretty much "just south" of Knoxville. As such, it would be expected that a good number of out of state students at Tennessee would come from an adjoining state like Georgia. A majority of Kentucky’s out of state students come from her boarder states as well – Tennessee, Ohio, Illinois, and Indiana to name a few. However, Kentucky has seen increases in students from all over as well partly due to higher admissions standards and the proximity to their home states/towns. Lexington is located within 600 miles of two-thirds of the U.S. population. So for some who might like the so called “SEC experience” UK provides an attractive choice.

All that is good and well. However, and I may be way off base (it won’t be the first time, nor the last), I interpreted barbino's comments to be directed toward or about the NPC recruitment experience at UK and UT and how that compared to other SEC schools.

My position is that as the admission standards increased at UT and UK, more “quality” out-of-state students enroll (as you noted at UT). Add to that, many in-state students – who might have elected to attend college out of state – are also staying in state (again as you noted at UT). Thus the overall “credentials” of the PNM pool might be considered “better”. And because they are overachievers, these PNMs are - again generally speaking - more competitive than their predecessors.

Now add that many of these out of state students come from areas where the so called “uber-competitiveness” recruitment is the norm. Then over time, the recruitment experiences at UK and UT become even more competitive. More along the lines of some of the other SEC schools.

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