A disconnect with legacies?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Like I said, if you have a better way to say what I was trying to say, lay it on me. Or are you saying it is OK to say that there's a difference between stepparents who have played a parental role and those who haven't, and legacy status should reflect that?

Actually if you'd read the rest of my posts rather than the tiny bits you quoted, I addressed that.

Since there's no way to address any level of parental involvement other than the fact they provided the legacy form itself, it's not really relevant. Our legacy policies don't look like this for a reason:

~~~ XYZ will give special consideration to every daughter, granddaughter and sister of a member, who is at least active enough in the sorority to be considered an active alumna member, and who has a thorough and loving relationship with her family member that is both supportive and educative in the policies and practices of sorority membership, recruitment and the lifelong commitment required without promising said family member membership or any expectation of guaranteed membership. Extra special consideration will be given to any of the above relatives of a member if they are named after a sorority founder or donated to the sorority foundation at birth. All donations are tax deductible. ~~~

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

No I'm really sticking by that. I feel like you're setting up a strawman here though.

I get that. But I'm sticking by my position, too. In my experience, there's more to the concept of political correctness than just

a bullshit phrase mostly made up and used by people who think that being polite infringes too much on their freedom to use offensive words.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I get that. But I'm sticking by my position, too. In my experience, there's more to the concept of political correctness than just

Fair enough. I'm not saying the phenomena you describe don't exist but I don't label them as part of political correctness because I don't find any validity to the phrase. If that makes sense.

[JFFMom]

Originally Posted by wildcatfan

Thought I'd print out out the info from the K-State rush pamphlet so people can compare it if they want. NPC groups consider legacies as follows:

Alpha Chi Omega: sister, mother, grandmother, great-grandmother
Alpha Delta Pi: sister, mother, grandmother
Alpha Xi Delta: sister, mother, grandmother, aunts, step-relatives
Chi Omega: sister, mother
Delta Delta Delta: sister, mother, step-sister, step-mother
Gamma Phi Beta: sister, mother, grandmother, step-sister, step-mother Kappa Alpha Theta: sister, mother, grandmother, great-grandmother Kappa Delta: sister, mother, grandmother, step-sister, step-mother, half- relatives
Kappa Kappa Gamma: sister, mother, grandmother
Pi Beta Phi: sister, mother, grandmother
Sigma Kappa: sister, mother, grandmother, aunt, step-relatives
Zeta Tau Alpha: sister, mother, grandmother, great-grandmother, aunts, step-relatives

Pi Beta Phi legacies are actually only Mothers and Sisters.

[JFFMom]

Originally Posted by JFFMom

Pi Beta Phi legacies are actually only Mothers and Sisters.

Sorry I meant daughters and sisters!!!! I'm a Mom that is why it is on my mind.

[carnation]

Psst! JFF! I just looked on our website and it still says granddaughters!

[DeltaBetaBaby]

This is an old thread, but I was just thinking about how a lot of PNM's think they are legacies when they are not. I remember going through with a LOT of women who claimed to be "legacies" to XYZ through aunts or cousins. I think it is generally a bad idea to list your legacy status on your Panhellenic paperwork anyway, but it occurs to me that other chapters could see someone is a legacy and release her, when it turns out she really isn't, anyway.

[jazing]

I find this whole "not bidding legacies" thing a bit odd. Is it the normal for sororities to not favor legacies like it is for fraternities (as in not give them bids because of being legacies)? I know for sure with us we bid legacies pretty easily. Its kinda an unwritten rule.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by jazing

I find this whole "not bidding legacies" thing a bit odd. Is it the normal for sororities to not favor legacies like it is for fraternities (as in not give them bids because of being legacies)? I know for sure with us we bid legacies pretty easily. Its kinda an unwritten rule.

Men don't have quotas (or at least, they don't at the vast majority of schools). Every legacy you take is a different girl you can't take. It's a whole different ballgame.

Now, when chapters are below quota/total, I think it is very rare to not give a bid to a legacy. I'd guess that virtually every HQ would want a damn good reason that you chose to remain below quota/total rather than give Lindsay Legacy a bid.

[melindawarren]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

This is an old thread, but I was just thinking about how a lot of PNM's think they are legacies when they are not. I remember going through with a LOT of women who claimed to be "legacies" to XYZ through aunts or cousins. I think it is generally a bad idea to list your legacy status on your Panhellenic paperwork anyway, but it occurs to me that other chapters could see someone is a legacy and release her, when it turns out she really isn't, anyway.

Oh, no kidding! One of my sister's [bio] sisters is a sister in another NPC at another school and they're thrilled because "their daughters will be legacies to both." Looking over the list of what constitutes a legacy in various groups, that's not the case.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by jazing

I find this whole "not bidding legacies" thing a bit odd. Is it the normal for sororities to not favor legacies like it is for fraternities (as in not give them bids because of being legacies)? I know for sure with us we bid legacies pretty easily. Its kinda an unwritten rule.

For a lot of sorority chapters (particularly in the south), even if there WEREN'T quotas and totals, the amount of legacies would be as many women as there are already active in the sorority...times 5. It just isn't feasible to bid every legacy from a mathematical standpoint.

And even at a smaller school/system, even if the chapter is waaaaay under total...if the legacy just blatantly doesn't fit...the sorority will give her every chance, but in the end, why bid someone who no one in the sorority likes (and who more than likely doesn't like anyone in the sorority) just because her mom was a member 25 years ago? It's stupid. Better to practice true Greek unity and Panhellenic spirit and encourage the young woman to look at ALL the chapters and find what is right for HER - not force her into what was right for her mom a generation ago.

[NutBrnHair]

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

I honestly think the "more legacies going through than quota" is not very often true. Honestly, even with Chi Omega (the largest NPC group) it is simply not often the case.

Originally Posted by 33girl

For a lot of sorority chapters (particularly in the south), even if there WEREN'T quotas and totals, the amount of legacies would be as many women as there are already active in the sorority...times 5. It just isn't feasible to bid every legacy from a mathematical standpoint.

I feel like reposting my comment on this topic, since it was way back on page 1! Take Ole Miss, for example, you think 1,500 Chi Omega legacies go through each year? You are way off base.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

I feel like reposting my comment on this topic, since it was way back on page 1! Take Ole Miss, for example, you think 1,500 Chi Omega legacies go through each year? You are way off base.

Overemphasis added for boy to understand concept.

I could give a shit how many Chi Omega legacies go through rush at Ole Miss.

[AGDCanada11]

Thought I would add in Alpha Gamma Delta's Leacy Policy (seeing as I just noticed this thread today!)

(From the Legacy Introduction Form):

"Alpha Gamma Delta recognizes that legacies are important to our Fraternity because they bring loyalty, strength, pride, and support to our chapters.

A legacy is a daughter, sister, grand-daughter, or step-daughter of an Alpha Gamma Delta who is an initiated member in Good Standing with the Fraternity.

It is the responsibility of the legacy's AGD relatives and friends to notify a chapter that she will be participating in recruitment by completing a RIF and LIF.

Collegiate chapters are not required to offer a bid to a legacy.

An AGD legacy should be a qualified recruitment guest in her own right--grades, activities, accomplishments, and overall compatibility with the chapter.

The Fraternity expects all collegiate chapters to give serious consideration to each legacy out of courtesy to the AGD member to whom she is related.

A legacy must be invited to at least one invitational round of the chapter's recruitment functions.

If a chapter releases a legacy, an advisor for the chapter must contact the AGD relative of the legacy to inform her of the legacy's release from membership consideration. All efforts must be taken to contact the relative prior to the distribution of invitations to the next round of recruitment events.

If a chapter invites a legacy to Preference, the legacy must be placed on the chapter's first bid list.

AGD members must have realistic expectations for our legacies. We must remember that some legacies are happier in another Greek group. All NPC groups have similar goals and ideals.

Legacies--Our special link between Alpha Gamma Delta's past and future."

I really like that they have a part specifically stating that some legacies are happier in other NPC groups!

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

I feel like reposting my comment on this topic, since it was way back on page 1! Take Ole Miss, for example, you think 1,500 Chi Omega legacies go through each year? You are way off base.

This isn't necessarily valid. I went to Indiana (the user name) and even as far back as the 1980's we had some chapters where, in fact, the number of legacies was higher than that chapter's quota. With bed quota, our quotas were anywhere from usually 30-55. Given the number of chapters in our state/area and the age of these chapters, having a lot of legacies for some chapters was common. I remember Theta having over 100 legacies with Kappa and Pi Phi close behind. Now 25 years later, I am sure that this still happens on some campuses or for some of the older, larger organizations. It may even happen more frequently today.