A disconnect with legacies?

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by carnation

The KDs at State pledged one named Ida Cline! (She became Homecoming Queen.)

In our chapter house had a composite from the 1970's that we did not put in storage because there was a girl on it whose name was Mary Christmas. I would have held a life long grudge against my parents if they had done that me...image the first day of school the teacher calls Mary Christmas and all the kids snicker.

[33girl]

Re legacy policies, I almost think a better idea would be to have each chapter adopt how far out they want to go. For example...XYZ at Ole Miss could probably fill 2 pledge classes worth with legacies - they might want to say a legacy is only mom or sister, period. But XYZ at Drexel probably isn't going to have that amount of legacies coming through, so they might want to say granddaughters/nieces are legacies too.

The problems with that, of course, are 1) uninformed sisters 2) pledging someplace where you are a legacy and trying to transfer someplace where you're not. There doesn't seem to be a good way to resolve it.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by MaggieXi

I thought Sigma Kappas was similar to AXiDs. (Although I could be very wrong).

Purely off memory I believe it's the same. I don't think we mention 'adopted' specifically - and I don't know that there's a need to necessarily, who would exclude an adopted daughter? - but we do include 'steps.'

[Just interested]

Pepper White is a proud KD. I'm not for sure where Tiger pledged. I think she went to Auburn.

Pepper is one of my favorite KD's. A very involved KD and a former National Officer. She is going get a kick out of this.

[wildcatfan]

Thought I'd print out out the info from the K-State rush pamphlet so people can compare it if they want. NPC groups consider legacies as follows:

Alpha Chi Omega: sister, mother, grandmother, great-grandmother
Alpha Delta Pi: sister, mother, grandmother
Alpha Xi Delta: sister, mother, grandmother, aunts, step-relatives
Chi Omega: sister, mother
Delta Delta Delta: sister, mother, step-sister, step-mother
Gamma Phi Beta: sister, mother, grandmother, step-sister, step-mother Kappa Alpha Theta: sister, mother, grandmother, great-grandmother Kappa Delta: sister, mother, grandmother, step-sister, step-mother, half- relatives
Kappa Kappa Gamma: sister, mother, grandmother
Pi Beta Phi: sister, mother, grandmother
Sigma Kappa: sister, mother, grandmother, aunt, step-relatives
Zeta Tau Alpha: sister, mother, grandmother, great-grandmother, aunts, step-relatives

[33girl]

I guess it would be hideously un-PC to make a distinction between "stepmother who's raised you since she married your dad when you were 3" and "stepmother who my dad married when I was 16 that I never see because they live in Europe."

Then again, some people's biological moms are like that latter example, too.

[Leslie Anne]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I guess it would be hideously un-PC to make a distinction between "stepmother who's raised you since she married your dad when you were 3" and "stepmother who my dad married when I was 16 that I never see because they live in Europe."

Then again, some people's biological moms are like that latter example, too.

Yep, I was thinking about the exact same thing. I technically have a "stepmother" who's an AXO. She's been with my father since I was 16 but I consider her "my dad's wife" and it never would have occurred to me that I might be an AXO legacy. That would have been absurd. (This is in no way a jab at AXO!) She's a wonderful woman but she is in no way, shape or form anything resembling a "mother". She's only 7 years older than me. They don't live in Europe but they might as well. I never see them.

[BraveMaroon]

Originally Posted by Just interested

Pepper White is a proud KD. I'm not for sure where Tiger pledged. I think she went to Auburn.

Pepper is one of my favorite KD's. A very involved KD and a former National Officer. She is going get a kick out of this.

I thought her sister came to UGA as well, but I could be wrong. I know the Red and Black did a story about them.

Obviously, it's a name you never forget!

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I guess it would be hideously un-PC to make a distinction between "stepmother who's raised you since she married your dad when you were 3" and "stepmother who my dad married when I was 16 that I never see because they live in Europe."

Then again, some people's biological moms are like that latter example, too.

Yes, biological mother could be living with Step-Dad in Europe just as easily.

There's nothing "PC*" about it, it's just not possible in a policy sense.

I kind of feel like some people expect an overarching sorority policy to handle every possible nuance:

~~~ XYZ will give special consideration to every daughter, granddaughter and sister of a member, who is at least active enough in the sorority to be considered an active alumna member, and who has a thorough and loving relationship with her family member that is both supportive and educative in the policies and practices of sorority membership, recruitment and the lifelong commitment required without promising said family member membership or any expectation of guaranteed membership. Extra special consideration will be given to any of the above relatives of a member if they are named after a sorority founder or donated to the sorority foundation at birth. All donations are tax deductible. ~~~

It's just NOT POSSIBLE. Legacy policies are listed on the websites as applicable, all further discussion probably goes into MS and really don't need to be dissected twenty times til Sunday. They're general because they're inter/national and apply to every single chapter. That's just how it pretty much has to be belonging to inter/national organizations.




*PC is a bullshit phrase mostly made up and used by people who think that being polite infringes too much on their freedom to use offensive words. Being "un-PC" is not a thing, there's usually just being "an asshole." Like trying to find out if a PNM's mom is a) alive, b) really loves her or just kind of likes her or c) abandoned her and lives in Europe.

[DubaiSis]

I think the way Alpha Xi words it works great. If the alumna CONSIDERS herself the relative of the rushee and she fits in those categories, then she is. I should think that would handle the stepmother who's 7 years older than you and has seen you 3 times in 5 years.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

*PC is a bullshit phrase mostly made up and used by people who think that being polite infringes too much on their freedom to use offensive words. Being "un-PC" is not a thing, there's usually just being "an asshole."

Sometimes, sometimes not.

[Xylochick216]

Alpha Chi Omega lets the PNM define the relationship, as far as steps go. Like other orgs, if the PNM considers the step-mother like a mother, she can claim the legacy.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Sometimes, sometimes not.

Most of the time, not. "Politeness" and "political correctness" have very little to do with one another. Calling someone "a person with disabilities" instead of "a cripple" doesn't mean you treat them any nicer or do things that actually help them.

Perhaps PC wasn't the most accurate phrase to use in my post, but if you can think of another, go for it.

[TriDeltaSallie]

Originally Posted by wildcatfan

Thought I'd print out out the info from the K-State rush pamphlet so people can compare it if they want. NPC groups consider legacies as follows:

Alpha Chi Omega: sister, mother, grandmother, great-grandmother
Alpha Delta Pi: sister, mother, grandmother
Alpha Xi Delta: sister, mother, grandmother, aunts, step-relatives
Chi Omega: sister, mother
Delta Delta Delta: sister, mother, step-sister, step-mother
Gamma Phi Beta: sister, mother, grandmother, step-sister, step-mother Kappa Alpha Theta: sister, mother, grandmother, great-grandmother Kappa Delta: sister, mother, grandmother, step-sister, step-mother, half- relatives
Kappa Kappa Gamma: sister, mother, grandmother
Pi Beta Phi: sister, mother, grandmother
Sigma Kappa: sister, mother, grandmother, aunt, step-relatives
Zeta Tau Alpha: sister, mother, grandmother, great-grandmother, aunts, step-relatives

I don't believe that is correct about Tri Delta. A DDD legacy is daughter or sister only. If you go here and open the "Recruitment Demystified" link it says daughters and sisters only on page 4 of the PDF in the glossary.

[FSUZeta]

the KSU info. on ZTA legacies is WRONG. ZTA legacies are daughters, sisters or granddaughters.