Embarrsing another GDI wearing Greek Shirts

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by TPA85

No. Why there is a difference to some people baffles me! They still represent the same thing and imo should only be worn by members.

But that's the point -- some kinds of clothing (like jerseys with block letters) typically do represent membership while other kinds (like event tee shirts) typically indicate attendance at the event rather than membership. Hence the distinction some groups and some campuses make.

And I guess it bears saying again: Different GLOs have different policies about non-members wearing letters. We should all be following the policies of our own GLOs regarding our letters and not worry about other org's policies and letters.

And to get back to the topic of the thread, I would hope that no one here would be ill-mannered enough to intentionally embarrass a non-member wearing letters.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

But that's the point -- some kinds of clothing (like jerseys with block letters) typically do represent membership while other kinds (like event tee shirts) typically indicate attendance at the event rather than membership. Hence the distinction some groups and some campuses make.

And I guess it bears saying again: Different GLOs have different policies about non-members wearing letters. We should all be following the policies of our own GLOs regarding our letters and not worry about other org's policies and letters.

And to get back to the topic of the thread, I would hope that no one here would be ill-mannered enough to intentionally embarrass a non-member wearing letters.

Ditto. The world won't end if someone is wearing my letters that isn't an AOII. I know I've personally given formal shirts and crawfish boil shirts to more dates in the past than I can count that have AOII all over them. Alpha Omicron Pi is still going strong. I've even seen a homeless person wearing such a shirt. It's not ideal, but I won't tear my hair out about it.

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Ditto. The world won't end if someone is wearing my letters that isn't an AOII. I know I've personally given formal shirts and crawfish boil shirts to more dates in the past than I can count that have AOII all over them. Alpha Omicron Pi is still going strong. I've even seen a homeless person wearing such a shirt. It's not ideal, but I won't tear my hair out about it.

Agreed. Plus at some schools the sororities all give out crate loads of shirts that say "Rush XYZ" to any fraternity boy who will wear it. It's PR for them and I don't think people are too worried about them not knowing what the letters mean while wearing them.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by shirley1929

Agreed. Plus at some schools the sororities all give out crate loads of shirts that say "Rush XYZ" to any fraternity boy who will wear it. It's PR for them and I don't think people are too worried about them not knowing what the letters mean while wearing them.

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I thought that was against NPC rules? I thought I remembered seeing that on here somewhere. Oh well -- learned something new today

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[33girl]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

But that's the point -- some kinds of clothing (like jerseys with block letters) typically do represent membership while other kinds (like event tee shirts) typically indicate attendance at the event rather than membership. Hence the distinction some groups and some campuses make.

And I guess it bears saying again: Different GLOs have different policies about non-members wearing letters. We should all be following the policies of our own GLOs regarding our letters and not worry about other org's policies and letters.

Vito wasn't talking about event t-shirts (for mixers, Greek week, what have you). He was talking about a screen printed t-shirt with nothing but Greek letters on it and why that would be OK for nonmembers to wear, but stitched letters are verboten.

k_s (and everyone), a shirt that says "Rush XYZ" or a button that says "I heart XYZ" is different from a shirt with ONLY the Greek letters on it. The first does not imply membership, the second does (whether it's stitched, screen printed or written in blood). I'm hoping the stuff katydid KD was talking about in her post a page or two down had a "rush" qualifier on it.

[katydidKD]

Originally Posted by 33girl

k_s (and everyone), a shirt that says "Rush XYZ" or a button that says "I heart XYZ" is different from a shirt with ONLY the Greek letters on it. The first does not imply membership, the second does (whether it's stitched, screen printed or written in blood). I'm hoping the stuff katydid KD was talking about in her post a page or two down had a "rush" qualifier on it.

The ones I've personally been given say either rush XYZ or I heart XYZ. However, fraternities on my campus give letters to girls like crazy. Probably not right, but that is how it is. Not saying I agree with it, but thats something that XYZ fraternity decides to do with their XYZ letters. It is good pr/"fratty" for them to have women wearing their letters (i see a lot of jerseys, hats, any kind of t shirt.) Sororities do it too, but not as much. I've never seen stitch sorority letters, buy guys are wearing shirts with screen printed letters very often.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by 33girl

k_s (and everyone), a shirt that says "Rush XYZ" or a button that says "I heart XYZ" is different from a shirt with ONLY the Greek letters on it. The first does not imply membership, the second does (whether it's stitched, screen printed or written in blood). I'm hoping the stuff katydid KD was talking about in her post a page or two down had a "rush" qualifier on it.

That's not what I was talking about.

I thought that "Rush XYZ" shirts were given to women from fraternity men, but not the other way around (for fear of being un-Panhellenic). At least, that's the impression I got from reading GC.

katydidKD's post cleared that up, though (she said it's done, but not as often).

[katydidKD]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

That's not what I was talking about.

I thought that "Rush XYZ" shirts were given to women from fraternity men, but not the other way around (for fear of being un-Panhellenic). At least, that's the impression I got from reading GC.

katydidKD's post cleared that up, though (she said it's done, but not as often).

Never, in my experience, are "rush" shirts made to give to fraternity men, or shirts made exclusively to be worn by fraternity men. Also, on my campus we cannot formally use the word "rush" (no tshirts, etc.)

But, women ordering formal shirts for their dates, giving them an old tshirt from their philanthropy, is done in part because it is good pr for rush.

On my campus.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by katydidKD

Never, in my experience, are "rush" shirts made to give to fraternity men, or shirts made exclusively to be worn by fraternity men. Also, on my campus we cannot formally use the word "rush" (no tshirts, etc.) But, women ordering formal shirts for their dates is done in part because it is good pr for rush. On my campus.

OK, now I'm back to square one lol

It sounds like you're talking about regular shirts given out throughout the year being worn by fraternity men = Good PR, indirectly affecting rush

shirley1929 sounded like she was talking about "Rush ABC Sorority" shirts given out at the beginning of the school year = Good PR, created specifically to influence rush

shirley1929's shirts are the ones that I thought were taboo, not the ones you're describing.

I just wanted to make sure my thinking wasn't off.

[katydidKD]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

OK, now I'm back to square one lol

It sounds like you're talking about regular shirts given out throughout the year being worn by fraternity men = Good PR, indirectly affecting rush

shirley1929 sounded like she was talking about "Rush ABC Sorority" shirts given out at the beginning of the school year = Good PR, created specifically to influence rush

shirley1929's shirts are the ones that I thought were taboo, not the ones you're describing.

I just wanted to make sure my thinking wasn't off.

You have everything correctly. On my campus, Shirley's shirts, as described, would never happen for the reasons you mentioned previously.

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by katydidKD

You have everything correctly. On my campus, Shirley's shirts, as described, would never happen for the reasons you mentioned previously.

I'm thinking at schools like Univ of Texas. They have "Round-Up" a big party weekend in Austin. The girls (knowing that several PNM's come to the weekend in the spring) drop of crate loads of shirts at the different fraternity houses. The shirts will have slogans that would infer that they're recruitment shirts and that the wearer is supporting that particular sorority (they may not exactly say "Rush XYZ" but they'll say "Think XYZ" or "Go ABC"). The guys might wear an ABC shirt to one party and an XYZ to the next. Or an ABC shirt with an DEF button at the same time. Veeeerrryyy common.

I know this isn't exclusive to UT, TX Tech and TX A&M and other schools do similar events.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

And to get back to the topic of the thread, I would hope that no one here would be ill-mannered enough to intentionally embarrass a non-member wearing letters.

It depends on the context.

It isn't about ill-manner but rather about different protocols and traditions across councils/conferences and GLOs.