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[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by Titchou

If you meant NPC, then the answer is no one here can give you an answer. We aren't privy to the membership selection processes of these chapters.

You know what bothers me?

It seems like I hear the above response a lot more than, say:

"My organization doesn't discriminate on race. Unfortunately, some chapters might."

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

You know what bothers me?

It seems like I hear the above response a lot more than, say:

"My organization doesn't discriminate on race. Unfortunately, some chapters might."

Yeah, it bothers me, too. BUT I doubt they couch it as "let's cut the minority." I'm sure in their bigoted little hearts they have a million other reasons why PNM minority wouldn't fit without breaking that rule.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Yeah, it bothers me, too. BUT I doubt they couch it as "let's cut the minority." I'm sure in their bigoted little hearts they have a million other reasons why PNM minority wouldn't fit without breaking that rule.

Chapters of my fraternity might do the same regarding orientation or race, too. Luckily, exposure seems to be having a positive affect. We have a white member of our administration who is very well known and active. I think his presence allows chapters who might be on the cusp of racial discrimination to see that there's a better way.

In terms of orientation, that's another can of worms, but things seem to be getting better on that front also.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Chapters of my fraternity might do the same regarding orientation or race, too. Luckily, exposure seems to be having a positive affect. We have a white member of our administration who is very well known and active. I think his presence allows chapters who might be on the cusp of racial discrimination to see that there's a better way.

In terms of orientation, that's another can of worms, but things seem to be getting better on that front also.

Things are slowly changing in the NPC world, too. Societal pressure not to allow in minorities at the local level lessons with each generation. We can preach it, but you really have no ultimate contol over membership selection.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Societal pressure not to allow in minorities at the local level lessons with each generation. We can preach it, but you really have no ultimate contol over membership selection.

Obviously. I think the point, though, is that when someone asks a question like the OP, we owe it to our organizations and Greek life as a whole to do more than state the (very true) fact that membership selection is confidential. We all know that prejudice still lingers, and we all know that anyone can find pretextual reasons for not bidding someone. But if our orgs have non-discrimination policies (and don't they all now?), then let's at least stand up for our orgs and say so.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Obviously. I think the point, though, is that when someone asks a question like the OP, we owe it to our organizations and Greek life as a whole to do more than state the (very true) fact that membership selection is confidential. We all know that prejudice still lingers, and we all know that anyone can find pretextual reasons for not bidding someone. But if our orgs have non-discrimination policies (and don't they all now?), then let's at least stand up for our orgs and say so.

I agree, but I see where people are coming from when they say that they don't know what a group might do during MS. These PNMs don't necessarily know that many things go into choosing a member and that even sisters in the same org that are not present at MS aren't privy to that info. I guess that makes people hesitant to say everything is hunky dory and let these girls go into recruitment thinking it won't be an issue when it may.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

These PNMs don't necessarily know that many things go into choosing a member and that even sisters in the same org that are not present at MS aren't privy to that info. I guess that makes people hesitant to say everything is hunky dory and let these girls go into recruitment thinking it won't be an issue when it may.

Oh, I agree completely. That's why I worded my suggested response the way I did:

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I don't think it's that difficult or inappropriate to say "XYZ prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, religion, etc., and we expect all of our members and chapters to live up to that. That said, we cannot tell you your chances at any particular school or with any particular chapter. Membership selection is confidential, membership decisions can be based on a wide variety of factors, and we are not privy to the considerations of any specific chapter, nor could we say if we were."

The flip side is that if we simply answer a question like the OP asked with "membership selection is confidential so we can't tell you," it can give the impression that we think discrimination based on something like race is okay -- no one will know anyway because we don't talk about it. No, we certainly can't tell someone who asks a question about potential discrimination whether it will or won't happen. But we can say that our organizations have taken a position on discrimination rather than risking the impression that they haven't.

All that said, in this case the OP does seem to acknowledge the policies and seems to be asking about the on-the-ground realities.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Oh, I agree completely. That's why I worded my suggested response the way I did:
The flip side is that if we simply answer a question like the OP asked with "membership selection is confidential so we can't tell you," it can give the impression that we think discrimination based on something like race is okay -- no one will know anyway because we don't talk about it. No, we certainly can't tell someone who asks a question about potential discrimination whether it will or won't happen. But we can say that our organizations have taken a position on discrimination rather than risking the impression that they haven't.

All that said, in this case the OP does seem to acknowledge the policies and seems to be asking about the on-the-ground realities.

I must have missed that post! We are in total accord, MC.