Advice for PNMs: Not getting a bid to your 1st choice.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Really? That wasn't explained to the chapter in question...or at least the adviser didn't want them to know. That led to problems later. Good to know.

I know people on here have talked about their GA/Panhellenic "forcing" them to provide flex lists or invite a certain number of PNMs back. If your school has a history of this, that's when you get your national peeps in on things before rush and tell them "the GA wants us to invite Paris Hilton's brain on Jabba the Hutt's body. Please tell them to go pound sand."

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I know people on here have talked about their GA/Panhellenic "forcing" them to provide flex lists or invite a certain number of PNMs back. If your school has a history of this, that's when you get your national peeps in on things before rush and tell them "the GA wants us to invite Paris Hilton's brain on Jabba the Hutt's body. Please tell them to go pound sand."

Yeah, but I don't doubt that's also been used by a chapter advisor as a convenient excuse. I'm not saying that a chapter should invite anyone and everyone to make quota, but I know that I may not have made the best decisions as an 18-year-old collegiate.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Yeah, but I don't doubt that's also been used by a chapter advisor as a convenient excuse. I'm not saying that a chapter should invite anyone and everyone to make quota, but I know that I may not have made the best decisions as an 18-year-old collegiate.

IMO the chapter advisor shouldn't be making those decisions either. She is not the one who has to live with the person day in and day out. No collegians don't always make the best decisions, but especially in this day and age, they get less and less chance to do so for themselves. If they screw up and don't make quota because the only girls they wanted wanted other groups and got them, they'll learn a lesson in openmindedness a lot more quickly than they will if a chapter advisor or anyone else tries to push people down their throat.

[aephi alum]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I know people on here have talked about their GA/Panhellenic "forcing" them to provide flex lists or invite a certain number of PNMs back. If your school has a history of this, that's when you get your national peeps in on things before rush and tell them "the GA wants us to invite Paris Hilton's brain on Jabba the Hutt's body. Please tell them to go pound sand."

You owe me a new monitor. There is now water all over this one.

I don't understand this whole flex list thing, but I can't believe a chapter would be forced to invite back Lizzie Borden the Ax Murderer with the 0.1 GPA, even if this means they don't make quota.

[carnation]

Remember when a GCer from one of the Bama chapters told us that on Bid Day, 4 girls they'd cut walked through their door? They had cut them but some "well-meaning" alum had sneaked these awful girls back on the list because she was afraid that the chapter wouldn't make quota.

Seems that sometimes, either alums OR Panhellenic can do a number on you.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by carnation

Remember when a GCer from one of the Bama chapters told us that on Bid Day, 4 girls they'd cut walked through their door? They had cut them but some "well-meaning" alum had sneaked these awful girls back on the list because she was afraid that the chapter wouldn't make quota.

Seems that sometimes, either alums OR Panhellenic can do a number on you.

Were they at pref? Because if so, they wouldn't have been "cut" - only put on the second bid list. If they weren't at pref - WTH? That would warrant a call to HQ.

[KDMafia]

Were they at pref? Because if so, they wouldn't have been "cut" - only put on the second bid list. If they weren't at pref - WTH? That would warrant a call to HQ.

Not necessarily if they were snap bids. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't make quota and their advisor/recruitment chair made the decision to snap bid if necessary. After working with a chapter for four years the lack of knowledge most of them have about how bid matching and everything works can be shocking, especially when they want to have a certain belief about their recruitment chair, the panhellenic board etc.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by KDMafia

Not necessarily if they were snap bids. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't make quota and their advisor/recruitment chair made the decision to snap bid if necessary.

Again I say, . If a woman doesn't make the cut she doesn't make the cut...quota or not. I can't believe there would ever be a situation where one person could override the chapter's decision and get away with it.

[Zillini]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Again I say, . If a woman doesn't make the cut she doesn't make the cut...quota or not. I can't believe there would ever be a situation where one person could override the chapter's decision and get away with it.

Also keep in mind that especially with RFM there are many girls who get "cut" that the chapter really liked. There just happened to be other PNMs the chapter liked a little bit better. What happens then unfortunately is some of those "kept" PNMs didn't like the chapter well enough to put it #1 on their bid card.

If/when that unsettling call comes in the wee hours of the morning that it's necessary to snap in order to make quota, it's up to the chapter officers and advisors to make a decision and make it fast. I agree it isn't appropriate to issue a snap bid to someone the chapter obviously couldn't stand. However in a big competitive Recruitment, there are often unmatched girls to choose from who the chapter did like and would fit in well.

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by KDMafia

After working with a chapter for four years the lack of knowledge most of them have about how bid matching and everything works can be shocking, especially when they want to have a certain belief about their recruitment chair, the panhellenic board etc.

So true! I worked with a chapter that had no idea how bid matching worked. I knew there was no way to explain it, so I created a role play with three chapters and 30 PNMs all named for celebrities. I had the other advisors to come in and we actually did a mock bid matching for the chapter. It really helped them to understand how the process works. It also made them see the importance of not giving every "nice" girl who came through the highest marks possible and really evaluating how the PNM would fit into the chapter or add value to the chapter.

[carnation]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Were they at pref? Because if so, they wouldn't have been "cut" - only put on the second bid list. If they weren't at pref - WTH? That would warrant a call to HQ.

They had cut the girls early in recruitment and apparently their advisors added them back to the bid list anyway. I remember the poster and her chapter and school but had probably better not put it here.

I seem to recall her saying that they never saw those particular advisors again, lol.