"Christian" GLOs

[DSTRen13]

That is a horrible map; I can't tell what exactly it is supposed to be showing? Here are some more informative (and labeled!) ones: http://religions.pewforum.org/maps

I suppose if you consider Southern Baptists to be the only Christians who "count" for your purposes, they certainly are concentrated in the South, but I really don't get it ...

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

That is a horrible map; I can't tell what exactly it is supposed to be showing? Here are some more informative (and labeled!) ones: http://religions.pewforum.org/maps

I suppose if you consider Southern Baptists to be the only Christians who "count" for your purposes, they certainly are concentrated in the South, but I really don't get it ...

Beat me to it. This map only shows the concentration of one group. Last I checked one group doesn't have the monopoly on closed-mindedness.

Heck being a Protestant going to Catholic School, I'll never forget the nun telling me I was going to hell because I wasn't Catholic....and that was not in the South.

Again it is an American thing, not a Southern thing. I understand what you are saying, but it isn't a Southern Stereotype. Reality I would ascribe it more so to the fact that the South as a block votes red and your "blue states" are only really blue because those states have a large urban center.

Which is why States like Virginia and North Carolina are starting to become more blue because of the growth of Charlotte and the DC metro area which is attracting a more diverse crowd, not because there is a mental shift in philosophy.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

Beat me to it. This map only shows the concentration of one group. Last I checked one group doesn't have the monopoly on closed-mindedness.

Heck being a Protestant going to Catholic School, I'll never forget the nun telling me I was going to hell because I wasn't Catholic....and that was not in the South.

Again it is an American thing, not a Southern thing. I understand what you are saying, but it isn't a Southern Stereotype. Reality I would ascribe it more so to the fact that the South as a block votes red and your "blue states" are only really blue because those states have a large urban center.

Which is why States like Virginia and North Carolina are starting to become more blue because of the growth of Charlotte and the DC metro area which is attracting a more diverse crowd, not because there is a mental shift in philosophy.

Please refer to the above post where I say that I am referring to a different variety of a common phenomenon. Southern Baptist and Catholic might produce the same result, but in different ways, that's for sure.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

That is a horrible map; I can't tell what exactly it is supposed to be showing? Here are some more informative (and labeled!) ones: http://religions.pewforum.org/maps

I suppose if you consider Southern Baptists to be the only Christians who "count" for your purposes, they certainly are concentrated in the South, but I really don't get it ...

I'm still amused by the posting of maps. We all already know about regional religious demographics.

The point that was supposed to be made is about chapters, of organizations that are not "religious sororities/fraternities," being identified by the religious affiliation (usually Christian) of the majority of its membership. This includes chapters using Bible scriptures and other things to symbolize religion; and the potential for nonChristians to feel uncomfortable and unwanted. That does not just happen in the south.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I'm still amused by the posting of maps. We all already know about regional religious demographics.

The point that was supposed to be made is about chapters, of organizations that are not "religious sororities/fraternities," being identified by the religious affiliation (usually Christian) of the majority of its membership. This includes chapters using Bible scriptures and other things to symbolize religion; and the potential for nonChristians to feel uncomfortable and unwanted. That does not just happen in the south.

As you can see, I personally agree completely that general occurrence is in no way regulated to the south. I am, however, referring to a certain flavor of that phenomenon, which is regulated to the south.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

...I personally agree completely that general occurrence is in no way regulated to the south.

Good.

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

I am, however, referring to a certain flavor of that phenomenon, which is regulated to the south.

If you're talking about the southern Baptist cultural phenomenon of course it would be relegated to the south and to nonsouthern areas in which those who subscribe to southern Baptist culture live.

Is that the only thing you were talking about when discussing religion and Christianity, in general? If so, that's also problematic because what you described happens in GLO chapters outside of the southern Baptist cultural phenomenon. But at least you have now clarified.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Good.



If you're talking about the southern Baptist cultural phenomenon of course it would be relegated to the south and to nonsouthern areas in which those who subscribe to southern Baptist culture live.

Is that the only thing you were talking about when discussing religion and Christianity, in general? If so, that's also problematic because what you described happens in GLO chapters outside of the southern Baptist cultural phenomenon. But at least you have now clarified.

Yep. I clarified several times. Glad that's now been observed.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

Which is why States like Virginia and North Carolina are starting to become more blue because of the growth of Charlotte and the DC metro area which is attracting a more diverse crowd, not because there is a mental shift in philosophy.

I did laugh a little when I read this. FWIW, until the last two elections, North Carolina was basically a blue state, except in national elections. NC has tended to vote Republican for president and perhaps Senate, with the rest of the congressional delegation being somewhat evenly divided. That changed when the state went for Obama in '08.

At the state level, there have only been two Republican governors in the last 140 years, and the last one was elected in 1980 and 1984. That only changed with the last election, when Republicans took control of the state Senate for the first time in over 100 years and took control of the state House for only the second (I think) time in as long.

As for Charlotte, it has always had a stronger Republican presence than much of North Carolina. Raleigh (which is growing faster than Charlotte), Durham and Chapel Hill form a much more Democratic area.

Compared to other Southern states, NC has always been more progressive -- I certainly won't say liberal --and somewhat less conservative politically. What we're actually seeing in NC now could be a rise in conservative influence.

[DSTRen13]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I did laugh a little when I read this. FWIW, until the last two elections, North Carolina was basically a blue state, except in national elections. NC has tended to vote Republican for president and perhaps Senate, with the rest of the congressional delegation being somewhat evenly divided. That changed when the state went for Obama in '08.

At the state level, there have only been two Republican governors in the last 140 years, and the last one was elected in 1980 and 1984. That only changed with the last election, when Republicans took control of the state Senate for the first time in over 100 years and took control of the state House for only the second (I think) time in as long.

As for Charlotte, it has always had a stronger Republican presence than much of North Carolina. Raleigh (which is growing faster than Charlotte), Durham and Chapel Hill form a much more Democratic area.

Compared to other Southern states, NC has always been more progressive -- I certainly won't say liberal --and somewhat less conservative politically. What we're actually seeing in NC now could be a rise in conservative influence.

This may or may not be true for North Carolina, but Georgia as a whole is much more socially conservative than it is fiscally conservative. The Democrat/Republican divide within the state has been along completely different lines than the national debate. Not until recent elections (the past decade or so) has that started to align more, and you've seen things like Republican governors elected that previously would have been unimaginable.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

Yep. I clarified several times. Glad that's now been observed.

I've just caught myself up in this thread and I still don't understand your point. What was your intention in pointing out this type of cultural pressure only in the South?

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

I've just caught myself up in this thread and I still don't understand your point. What was your intention in pointing out this type of cultural pressure only in the South?

That was not what I pointed out.