NMs in letters.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by agzg

Hmmm - is this in addition to fraternity materials (books, letters, website, etc etc?).

I'm guessing using it in official capacity and for Alpha Gam business is a separate situation, than an individual initiated member wearing the crest.

I was looking online, I still would like a mug with the Armorial Bearings, but a tea cup and saucer would be even better. I'm just not finding one through a licensed vendor that fits my visual of my ideal mug.

[ChioLu]

When I went to college, pledges weren't allowed to wear the letters until initiated and knew the meaning. We could wear anything with "Chi O" or "Chi Omega" written out in script. Per our national HQ, this is now considered hazing (because it sets 1 group apart from the rest). I see their point, but it was kind of a big thing to get initiated and finally be able to wear the letters.

We still don't allow non-Chi Os to wear the crest, so that will never be on a date party t-shirt or mom's/dad's day item.

[BemoreLXA]

Originally Posted by ChioLu

When I went to college, pledges weren't allowed to wear the letters until initiated and knew the meaning. We could wear anything with "Chi O" or "Chi Omega" written out in script. Per our national HQ, this is now considered hazing (because it sets 1 group apart from the rest). I see their point, but it was kind of a big thing to get initiated and finally be able to wear the letters.

We still don't allow non-Chi Os to wear the crest, so that will never be on a date party t-shirt or mom's/dad's day item.

yeah. Thats not the rational per say with my HQ I'm not saying its hazing but I am kind of in different about associates wearing letters. I chose to wear my letters and give my little letters after initiation, while others wear them as soon as they associate

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by ChioLu

When I went to college, pledges weren't allowed to wear the letters until initiated and knew the meaning. We could wear anything with "Chi O" or "Chi Omega" written out in script. Per our national HQ, this is now considered hazing (because it sets 1 group apart from the rest).

I know this has been brought up many times at GC, but by this definition, my fraternity mandates hazing in our General Regulations for Chapters, because they provide that only initiated brothers may wear the letters. So obviously, we do not consider it hazing to prohibit probationary members (pledges) from wearing the letters or anything with the coat of arms.

[Optimus Prime]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I know this has been brought up many times at GC, but by this definition, my fraternity mandates hazing in our General Regulations for Chapters, because they provide that only initiated brothers may wear the letters. So obviously, we do not consider it hazing to prohibit probationary members (pledges) from wearing the letters or anything with the coat of arms.

This is how it is in Alpha Xi Delta as well. Only initiated members are allowed to wear the crest.

[aephi alum]

I guess we haze too, as our new members aren't allowed to wear letters...

However, our new member pin is our crest with the Greek letters removed.

To each GLO their own.

[FleurGirl]

Originally Posted by aephi alum

I guess we haze too, as our new members aren't allowed to wear letters...

I guess I see where this might be percieved as hazing, although I don't really see it that way. We just always get bid day shirts with "Kappa Kappa Gamma" written out in script rather than getting our letters on them, and usually girls won't go out and buy letters until after they are initiated. Almost all of them get their first letter shirt from their big unless a family member or friend gets them for them if they're a legacy. If they do get letters before initiation we won't ask them not to wear them, but we just don't give them letter shirts until later. 99% of the time this results in NMs not wearing letters.

[33girl]

ChioLu did say "per OUR national HQ." If Chi O nationals want to classify that as hazing, they're more than welcome. They're not saying it is hazing for anyone else.