Dartmouth sororities announce new policy

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I think it would be funny if fraternities didn't like the way that girls were running rush - specifically, they were upset that XYZ Chapter President's baby sister got cut from the group she wanted - and they decided to stop having mixers with the sororities until they got their heads straight.

*thumbs up*

That's why I think this is too much of a slippery slope.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Ditto, however I disagree with his point that 'peer pressure' shouldn't also be used here. If the chapters aren't taking accountability, then yeah pushing them to is a GOOD thing.

I don't disagree with the concept, I was simply noting that group pressure used for good also comes with concomitant downsides.

If the options are 'encouraging accountability' resulting in none, and quasi-enforcing it with social and public pressure... then yeah I'll take the latter. And that goes for any situation, not just this one.

If this dilemma were true, I'd agree. I'm certain it's false, though - I applaud the sororities for taking action, which is generally better than inaction, and I hope it has the desired effect. I just think there is an unfortunate non-zero chance it will have unintended effects.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

I don't disagree with the concept, I was simply noting that group pressure used for good also comes with concomitant downsides.



If this dilemma were true, I'd agree. I'm certain it's false, though - I applaud the sororities for taking action, which is generally better than inaction, and I hope it has the desired effect. I just think there is an unfortunate non-zero chance it will have unintended effects.

Probably so, but it's far better than nothing. And while it's not a true dichotomy, there are other options, I don't know a better solution when the schools themselves are not exactly champions of the victims' rights. Also it came from the women themselves, which says a lot. It wasn't imposed from above and won't be pressure from the institution, but will be peer pressure.

And if this pressures the fraternity guys to pressure those among them NOT to be rapists... and to deal with the ones who do it anyway.. well good.

The benefits could be far greater than any negative side effects. Putting it into practice will make the difference.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Also it came from the women themselves, which says a lot.

Agreed, and it's pretty cool in that way.

The benefits could be far greater than any negative side effects. Putting it into practice will make the difference.

Also agreed - I hope there is some follow-up in that regard.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by katydidKD

Hitler analogies-- worst analogies you can make. Extreme, isolated, overdone.

Originally Posted by 33girl

Yeah, Hitler created a unified community too. (I know I just Godwined the thread. I'm tired and don't care.)

I'll be wittier once I have a nap.

Originally Posted by LocalLove9

He throws a blender

You mean one of these??



Shit, if I was the fraternity, I'd toss him out just for destruction of property. HULK SMASH!!

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I think it would be funny if fraternities didn't like the way that girls were running rush - specifically, they were upset that XYZ Chapter President's baby sister got cut from the group she wanted - and they decided to stop having mixers with the sororities until they got their heads straight.

I think this absolutely happens. The difference is that you wouldn't see all of the other fraternities jump on board. I have definitely seen relations between one sorority and one fraternity sour over less.

[katydidKD]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

I think this absolutely happens. The difference is that you wouldn't see all of the other fraternities jump on board. I have definitely seen relations between one sorority and one fraternity sour over less.

I've also heard of this happening (on a less scale) Literally, XYZ Fraternity President's little sister was cut from BBB sorority, and XYZ and BBB were super close. No boycott, but sour feelings.

[PiKA2001]

I wonder if the fraternities will take a similar stance on incidents involving beligerent or aggressive sorority women.

NAAAAWWWW!

My chapter has banned certain hot messes from coming to our house/events but I couldn't imagine us saying, "either fix your one girl or forget about your entire sorority having any parties, mixers, or events with us".

One thing I'm confused about, do all of the sorority presidents have to unanimously agree that the "punishment" or whatever is appropriate enough? Good luck with that. Hopefully there isn't any bitter Bettys looking to get revenge on an ex's fraternity.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I wonder if the fraternities will take a similar stance on incidents involving beligerent or aggressive sorority women.

NAAAAWWWW!

My chapter has banned certain hot messes from coming to our house/events but I couldn't imagine us saying, "either fix your one girl or forget about your entire sorority having any parties, mixers, or events with us".

One thing I'm confused about, do all of the sorority presidents have to unanimously agree that the "punishment" or whatever is appropriate enough? Good luck with that. Hopefully there isn't any bitter Bettys looking to get revenge on an ex's fraternity.

You're right, "beligerent" women is EXACTLY THE SAME as

a member has assaulted a female student if internal adjudication is not taken against the individual in a timely manner,

Women are totally irrational and really likely to all gang up on a fraternity because they're on their periods or something too. GEEZ.

Nice bullshit "what about the MENZ" response.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

You're right, "beligerent" women is EXACTLY THE SAME as


Women are totally irrational and really likely to all gang up on a fraternity because they're on their periods or something too. GEEZ.

Nice bullshit "what about the MENZ" response.

Are you on your period or are you just off your meds tonight?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Are you on your period or are you just off your meds tonight?

You made a shitty argument, couldn't back it up and went with the personal attack.

Pretty damn pathetic, man.

[katydidKD]

If you're gonna go for a personal attack, be more creative than the "are you on your period" one. Just my two cents.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by katydidKD

If you're gonna go for a personal attack, be more creative than the "are you on your period" one. Just my two cents.

Lame, right? For some reason it was the first thing thing that came to mind.....

Originally Posted by Drolefille

You made a shitty argument, couldn't back it up and went with the personal attack.

Pretty damn pathetic, man.

So what was the "shitty" argument? I was just wondering if we can trust a bunch of 19 year olds to make better decisions than the "adults", especially when those decisions effect policy of other GLO's. You're the one who lost it and flew off the handle...but than "knowing" you i'm not surprised.

It is your MO.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

So what was the "shitty" argument? I was just wondering if we can trust a bunch of 19 year olds to make better decisions than the "adults", especially when those decisions effect policy of other GLO's.

Huh??

What does what happened have to do with adults (by that, I assume you mean HQs or alumni boards for the local groups) vs 19 year olds? I didn't see anything about fraternity or sorority alumni getting involved.

Rereading the article to make sure there wasn't, I just had my eye caught by this quote from one of the sorority presidents.

“The decision was more than unanimous,” Levin said. “It was excitement. People walked out of there bouncing, myself included.”

Now THAT is JUST. FUCKED. UP. After you make a difficult decision that involves your fellow students and that although you believe is right, you also know may really hurt people emotionally, no matter how you feel about the bad-guy involved, the last thing you should be doing is "bouncing."

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Huh??

What does what happened have to do with adults (by that, I assume you mean HQs or alumni boards for the local groups) vs 19 year olds? I didn't see anything about fraternity or sorority alumni getting involved.

I wasn't talking about sorority or fraternity alumni groups, I was just wondering why the police or the uni wouldn't be the ones stepping in as the primary decision makers in these assault cases. Was this guy even charged with anything? Any fraternity, and hopefully university, worth their salt should expel a student with an assault charge filed against him/her by another student.

The idea that Suzy Sorority might feel more obligated to report her assault to Panhel over the police doesn't sit well with me.

As for the the social aspect... I could care less if a sorority decides not to associate with a fraternity that has creepers in it. More power to them (the sororities) actually.

What also concerns me is who are the ones that decide if a "crime" actually happened? Are these girls going to be able to decipher truth from rumor/hearsay/? Who's to say that an accidental bump in a crowded house party won't turn into a "OMG HE PUSHED/ASSAULTED ME"?