Dartmouth sororities announce new policy

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by katydidKD

If you're gonna go for a personal attack, be more creative than the "are you on your period" one. Just my two cents.

Lame, right? For some reason it was the first thing thing that came to mind.....

Originally Posted by Drolefille

You made a shitty argument, couldn't back it up and went with the personal attack.

Pretty damn pathetic, man.

So what was the "shitty" argument? I was just wondering if we can trust a bunch of 19 year olds to make better decisions than the "adults", especially when those decisions effect policy of other GLO's. You're the one who lost it and flew off the handle...but than "knowing" you i'm not surprised.

It is your MO.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

So what was the "shitty" argument? I was just wondering if we can trust a bunch of 19 year olds to make better decisions than the "adults", especially when those decisions effect policy of other GLO's.

Huh??

What does what happened have to do with adults (by that, I assume you mean HQs or alumni boards for the local groups) vs 19 year olds? I didn't see anything about fraternity or sorority alumni getting involved.

Rereading the article to make sure there wasn't, I just had my eye caught by this quote from one of the sorority presidents.

“The decision was more than unanimous,” Levin said. “It was excitement. People walked out of there bouncing, myself included.”

Now THAT is JUST. FUCKED. UP. After you make a difficult decision that involves your fellow students and that although you believe is right, you also know may really hurt people emotionally, no matter how you feel about the bad-guy involved, the last thing you should be doing is "bouncing."

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Huh??

What does what happened have to do with adults (by that, I assume you mean HQs or alumni boards for the local groups) vs 19 year olds? I didn't see anything about fraternity or sorority alumni getting involved.

I wasn't talking about sorority or fraternity alumni groups, I was just wondering why the police or the uni wouldn't be the ones stepping in as the primary decision makers in these assault cases. Was this guy even charged with anything? Any fraternity, and hopefully university, worth their salt should expel a student with an assault charge filed against him/her by another student.

The idea that Suzy Sorority might feel more obligated to report her assault to Panhel over the police doesn't sit well with me.

As for the the social aspect... I could care less if a sorority decides not to associate with a fraternity that has creepers in it. More power to them (the sororities) actually.

What also concerns me is who are the ones that decide if a "crime" actually happened? Are these girls going to be able to decipher truth from rumor/hearsay/? Who's to say that an accidental bump in a crowded house party won't turn into a "OMG HE PUSHED/ASSAULTED ME"?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I wasn't talking about sorority or fraternity alumni groups, I was just wondering why the police or the uni wouldn't be the ones stepping in as the primary decision makers in these assault cases. Was this guy even charged with anything? Any fraternity, and hopefully university, worth their salt should expel a student with an assault charge filed against him/her by another student.

The idea that Suzy Sorority might feel more obligated to report her assault to Panhel over the police doesn't sit well with me.

Gotcha. I just didn't understand where you were coming from.

I'm guessing there is an overall reluctance to report things to the police as they'll just use it as an excuse to be even more up the Greek system's ass than they already are. People self-police to avoid that involvement. However, if somone threw a freaking APPLIANCE at me, screw that, I'm calling the cops.

[flirt5721]

From the Panhellenic Presidents
http://thedartmouth.com/2011/05/16/opinion/sandmeyer

An explanation of what they are trying to accomplish and they also acknowledge that the policy needs work.

[exlurker]

From the Monday May 16 postings on The Dartmouth's site:

Comments from students about possible guidelines / standards, and so on:
http://thedartmouth.com/2011/05/16/opinion/shortanswer

[exlurker]

Update Friday, May 20:

http://thedartmouth.com/2011/05/20/news/panhell

Originally Posted by flirt5721

From the Panhellenic Presidents
http://thedartmouth.com/2011/05/16/opinion/sandmeyer

An explanation of what they are trying to accomplish and they also acknowledge that the policy needs work.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Lame, right? For some reason it was the first thing thing that came to mind.....

Because you're being misogynistic.

So what was the "shitty" argument? I was just wondering if we can trust a bunch of 19 year olds to make better decisions than the "adults", especially when those decisions effect policy of other GLO's. You're the one who lost it and flew off the handle...but than "knowing" you i'm not surprised.

It is your MO.

Your shitty argument was comparing assault to 'beligerent' sorority women.
Oh and the misogynistic "Bitter Betty" comment. That was shitty too. Complaining about the imaginary wrongly accused men when this was created because of actually assaulted women is bullshit at its most basic.

You seem to mistake 'calling you out on your bullshit' with 'flying off the handle.' I really don't think you're even trying here.

This is not about someone reporting assault to panhel rather than to the campus, the fraternity, or to the police. But instead it is the sorority women saying that they will not associate with groups that fail to punish/remove men who assault women. And it is a great idea.

It's so surprising they managed to think of it, I bet at least 25% of them were on their periods at the time.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Because you're being misogynistic.




Your shitty argument was comparing assault to 'beligerent' sorority women.
Oh and the misogynistic "Bitter Betty" comment. That was shitty too. Complaining about the imaginary wrongly accused men when this was created because of actually assaulted women is bullshit at its most basic.

You seem to mistake 'calling you out on your bullshit' with 'flying off the handle.' I really don't think you're even trying here.

This is not about someone reporting assault to panhel rather than to the campus, the fraternity, or to the police. But instead it is the sorority women saying that they will not associate with groups that fail to punish/remove men who assault women. And it is a great idea.

It's so surprising they managed to think of it, I bet at least 25% of them were on their periods at the time.

You do know that YOU are the one who brought up the whole period thing right? Like I never would have even wrote it had it not been for you bringing it up first.

And apparently only men are capable of assault...interesting to know

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

You do know that YOU are the one who brought up the whole period thing right? Like I never would have even wrote it had it not been for you bringing it up first.

And apparently only men are capable of assault...interesting to know

Yeah but you know how those bitter betties are, always convincing their organizations and all other panhel orgs to stop associating with fraternities.

Gee, seems like this is the problem on Dartmouth's campus, feel free to take it up with the fraternities why they don't have the same policies towards sororities.

Keep trying. As long as you think mental illness and periods are legitimate insults, you're still in the pathetic zone.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Yeah but you know how those bitter betties are, always convincing their organizations and all other panhel orgs to stop associating with fraternities.

Gee, seems like this is the problem on Dartmouth's campus, feel free to take it up with the fraternities why they don't have the same policies towards sororities.

Keep trying. As long as you think mental illness and periods are legitimate insults, you're still in the pathetic zone.

Just drop it already. You don't always have to get the last word in. You read into things too much and get so defensive. What's the matter? You never even really get into the meat of things, you just launch personal attacks. So many threads go sour when you're around.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Just drop it already. You don't always have to get the last word in. You read into things too much and get so defensive. What's the matter? You never even really get into the meat of things, you just launch personal attacks. So many threads go sour when you're around.

LOL @ bolded.

So, you can't defend anything you said. Good to know.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

LOL @ bolded.

So, you can't defend anything you said. Good to know.

Not when you misconstrue what I say. I haven't been getting much sleep lately so maybe I'm not getting my point across right, but I'm not saying what you seem to think I'm saying.