Dartmouth sororities announce new policy

[agzg]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

There are potential downsides to this sort of "self-policing" though - in the example used as catalyst here, for instance, if the events unfolded in such a way that it became a criminal matter, police should have been involved instead of Panhel.

I definitely agree with this.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by agzg

I definitely agree with this.

Ditto, however I disagree with his point that 'peer pressure' shouldn't also be used here. If the chapters aren't taking accountability, then yeah pushing them to is a GOOD thing. If there comes a point where the fraternities are doing everything or even are all putting in a good faith effort, and feel like they're being punished unfairly they can make their case.

If the options are 'encouraging accountability' resulting in none, and quasi-enforcing it with social and public pressure... then yeah I'll take the latter. And that goes for any situation, not just this one. Our orgs have certainly made stands against changes in the past, and are capable of doing so again if the bridge is worth dying on. But this isn't that bridge.


Re: Chapter Bylaws - aren't chapter bylaws usually varied by campus anyway? If only for minimum campus GPAs, but I'd think for an assortment of other things. Whether or not adding something like this into their bylaws would be an option or not depends on the org, but it's not necessarily a strange concept.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Ditto, however I disagree with his point that 'peer pressure' shouldn't also be used here. If the chapters aren't taking accountability, then yeah pushing them to is a GOOD thing.

I don't disagree with the concept, I was simply noting that group pressure used for good also comes with concomitant downsides.

If the options are 'encouraging accountability' resulting in none, and quasi-enforcing it with social and public pressure... then yeah I'll take the latter. And that goes for any situation, not just this one.

If this dilemma were true, I'd agree. I'm certain it's false, though - I applaud the sororities for taking action, which is generally better than inaction, and I hope it has the desired effect. I just think there is an unfortunate non-zero chance it will have unintended effects.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

I don't disagree with the concept, I was simply noting that group pressure used for good also comes with concomitant downsides.



If this dilemma were true, I'd agree. I'm certain it's false, though - I applaud the sororities for taking action, which is generally better than inaction, and I hope it has the desired effect. I just think there is an unfortunate non-zero chance it will have unintended effects.

Probably so, but it's far better than nothing. And while it's not a true dichotomy, there are other options, I don't know a better solution when the schools themselves are not exactly champions of the victims' rights. Also it came from the women themselves, which says a lot. It wasn't imposed from above and won't be pressure from the institution, but will be peer pressure.

And if this pressures the fraternity guys to pressure those among them NOT to be rapists... and to deal with the ones who do it anyway.. well good.

The benefits could be far greater than any negative side effects. Putting it into practice will make the difference.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Also it came from the women themselves, which says a lot.

Agreed, and it's pretty cool in that way.

The benefits could be far greater than any negative side effects. Putting it into practice will make the difference.

Also agreed - I hope there is some follow-up in that regard.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by katydidKD

Hitler analogies-- worst analogies you can make. Extreme, isolated, overdone.

Originally Posted by 33girl

Yeah, Hitler created a unified community too. (I know I just Godwined the thread. I'm tired and don't care.)

I'll be wittier once I have a nap.

Originally Posted by LocalLove9

He throws a blender

You mean one of these??



Shit, if I was the fraternity, I'd toss him out just for destruction of property. HULK SMASH!!