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Originally Posted by DubaiSis
I do think it would be helpful in a "can't we all just get along" kind of way if the NPHC chapters and NPC chapters would work more closely together at the campus level. When I was in school the NPHC chapters were quite strong, I think, but never knew a single woman who was a member of one. And yes, I've had black friends my whole life, so it wasn't that. It would be nice to have ALL the sororities on campus participating in flag football or attending each others philanthropies or whatever. Co-counsel mixers or exchanges?
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My chapter did a few flag footballs and co-counsel mixers. It was fun but had no longterm gain unless the members were already friends or close acquaintances. These events were NPC events that NPHC orgs were expected to assimilate into. For those who hadn't already been familiar with NPHC orgs, it would often end up with ridiculous questions being asked of us or things like seeing NPCers throwing up the "pyramid" and OOO-OOOPing at nonGreek social gatherings; or seeing NIC men doing things like throwing up the "Omega hook." We often invited NPC and NIC to our events but the members (who weren't already our personal friends) would openly say things like "I don't know what I'm looking at right now"/"what are they doing?"/"this makes no sense to me." In other words, it made them feel uncomfortable to be the minority and to not always know everything that was going on. Welcome to "our" world.
We did wonderful social and philanthropic events with NIC orgs (NPC orgs were more apprehensive and that could be an intersection of gender, race, and NPHC-NPC effects). It worked well because all organizations were able to bring in their own experiences and expertise versus always being expected to assimilate. It also worked well because some of these NIC (and NPC) students were our close friends and we would talk about Greekdom in private. We finally decided to display our Greek unity across councils and conferences in public.
The coolest thing was when the Black NPCers and NICers would hang with us on a personal level and some were actually NPHC legacies. It was awesome because no one was judging or saying "why'd you join THIS org?!" They often felt the need to overcompensate and explain themselves until we told them that's unnecessary. Just be a cool person and never forget "who" you are.
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow
I know this his been brought up on GC several times before. Flag Football and Date Parties are not necessarily on non-IFC/NPC members' radars. The entertainment/social events are typically the ones that non-IFC/NPC members get invited to, though.
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Differences in chapter sizes and chapter event calendars often means that NPHC chapters will not want to participate in Flag Football and Date Parties. Some NPHC chapters during the '90s disliked "Badge Day" because of different protocol regarding wearing badges. Some of us will wear our symbols but not our actual badge around campus. Refusal to wear the actual badge was often interpreted as "NPHC not wanting to hang with the cool kids again!"
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow
FYI - overall equality IS a civil rights issue. I don't think any members of the GLBT community are piggy-backing on the BLACK Civil Rights Movement.
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It is a civil rights issue and I think well-informed people know that the (Black) Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s wasn't/isn't the only civil rights issue and civil rights movement in America. However, there are many members of the GLBT community who are piggy-backing on the Black Civil Rights Movement but with no ill intent. Some people (not just members of the GLBT community) feel it is a necessary and appropriate piggy-back for civil rights struggles that are either the exact same or close enough. Many feel as though the gay civil rights movement began around the same time as the Black civil rights movement because it all boils down to struggles of the oppressed and both individual-level prejudice and institutional-level discrimination.** If you have not encountered this in person, there is research on this; and references and discussions that can be found via Google.
** That ignores how there are plenty members of the GLBT community who are racist and there are plenty members of the Black community who are heterosexist.
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Originally Posted by sigmadiva
As long as it is clear and understood that one is not the same as the other. And that one can not and should not be used to justify the other, as the quote 33girl provided implied. That is what I was responding to.
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I agree.
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Originally Posted by sigmadiva
In my self-professed literal interpretation and perception of the book, it is a sin to be gay. In my interpretation of the book, it is not a sin to be Black, although some would try to make you think it is.
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I fixed that for you. Those who use the book to support racism, slavery, Jim Crow, and lynchings of Blacks claim to use a literal interpretation of the book in which God is both speaking personally (even answering prayers telling them that Blacks are nothingness and hate groups are necessary) and speaking to all believers. If that's a load of BS, as far as you're concerned, surely you can fathom how even scriptures perceived as pertaining to sexual orientation could have been human perceptions written in religious text.
I assume that you are a Christian (please correct me if I'm wrong), as am I. My views of Christianity have changed very much over the past 10 years. My perspective doesn't have to apply to all Christians, though. Neither does yours. So, I assume that you aren't claiming that "your book" and your approach to Christianity are pure and correct whereas Christians who don't share your views don't understand the Book and have been hoodwinkedandbamboozled by the devil.
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Originally Posted by sigmadiva
I am personally not going to support laws that I think blatantly condone a sinful act.
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Does that mean you will
not support it or will you remain neutral because
"Jeeeeesus will work it out...."
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