NPC adding new council members--do you think it could/will happen?

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

And this can go straight to where different "councils" function differently, so there's a danger in applying the standards of one's own "council" to other "council." So far as I know, Kappa Sig and Phi Delta Theta are always members of their campus IFC even when they're not members of the NIC, and it's no problem. Our chapters are members of IFC on those campuses where that works best for us and not on other campuses.

I've certainly never suggested that umbrella organizations do not have great benefit for their members and the Greek system in general. I was merely responding to the three specific examples you gave --puchasing insurance, owning houses and establishing relationships with universities -- in the statement of yours that I quoted.

Well, in fairness, this is an NPC thread :-)

Do you not feel that the councils help with the things I've mentioned? I've just given specific examples of how they help with university relationships, and if you want specifics on housing, I'm happy to get into details.

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

No. I think the comment about the "sigmadiva nonsense".

A few of us did not understand why you said this.

You quoted and responded to a post of mine in a manner that indicated you did not read the original post. I never said anything about NPHC orgs joining NPC orgs. In fact, I said exactly the opposite.

I think suggesting that NPHC orgs should want to join NPC (as posters ahead of me started to do) is about as logical as suggesting that NPC orgs should want to join the NPHC.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Well, in fairness, this is an NPC thread :-)

Touché.

Although it's also about non-NPC sororities attempting to come into the NPC, so some consideration of other ways of doing things may come into play. And when the discussion turns to "councils," then that does widen the scope.

Do you not feel that the councils help with the things I've mentioned? I've just given specific examples of how they help with university relationships, and if you want specifics on housing, I'm happy to get into details.

As a general across-the-board rule, no I don't think that umbrella organizations necessarily help with the three things you mentioned. I don't think we noticed any difference as to those three things when we decided to leave the umbrella organization we used to belong to. Frankly, as far as I can tell, we haven't noticed any difference at all.

With the first two (insurance and housing), I think the size, resources and bargaining power of the specific organization are much more important. (And as mentioned, housing isn't really an issue for many orgs.) As for university relations, my experience is that colleges and universities that have a concern (1) want orgs to be accountable to a national entity and (2) find a local council (sometimes an inappropriate one*) to stick the chapter in.


* The example you gave of a non-NPC org being forced by the university to join the CPH would be an example of inappropriate. That's the school trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. If it wants every org to be part of a campus coucil, then it needs to make sure there's a campus council appropriate for every org, even if that means IFC, CPH, NPHC and "other."

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Touché.

Although it's also about non-NPC sororities attempting to come into the NPC, so some consideration of other ways of doing things may come into play. And when the discussion turns to "councils," then that does widen the scope.

As a general across-the-board rule, no I don't think that umbrella organizations necessarily help with the three things you mentioned. I don't think we noticed any difference as to those three things when we decided to leave the umbrella organization we used to belong to. Frankly, as far as I can tell, we haven't noticed any difference at all.

With the first two (insurance and housing), I think the size, resources and bargaining power of the specific organization are much more important. (And as mentioned, housing isn't really an issue for many orgs.) As for university relations, my experience is that colleges and universities that have a concern (1) want orgs to be accountable to a national entity and (2) find a local council (sometimes an inappropriate one) to stick the chapter in.

w/r/t insurance, I was thinking of FIPG. IIRC, there are no members of FIPG that are not also NPC/NIC.

[AOEforme]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

w/r/t insurance, I was thinking of FIPG. IIRC, there are no members of FIPG that are not also NPC/NIC.

Alpha Omega Epsilon is a client.

ETA: Somewhere in here someone had asked if A.O.E. allows non-engineering and technical science majors. They answer is no, we do not. Chapters are actually fined for initiating non-approved majors.

This was one of the problems my campus Panhellenic had when trying to work my chapter into formal recruitment.

[Mevara]

Originally Posted by AOEforme

Alpha Omega Epsilon is a client.

ETA: Somewhere in here someone had asked if A.O.E. allows non-engineering and technical science majors. They answer is no, we do not. Chapters are actually fined for initiating non-approved majors.

This was one of the problems my campus Panhellenic had when trying to work my chapter into formal recruitment.

Oh, this is interesting. So what happens if a member is initiated and they are a hard science major then down the line decide to change majors to non hard science major? Are they asked to resign?

[AOEforme]

Originally Posted by Mevara

Oh, this is interesting. So what happens if a member is initiated and they are a hard science major then down the line decide to change majors to non hard science major? Are they asked to resign?

Nope: once you are an initiated active sister, you can change your major and nothing will happen. You are still an active with all voting rights.

If you change your major before active initiation, you won't be allowed to initiate. I only know one girl who was in this situation, and she simply waited until after active initiation to declare her new major.