Shutter Fraternities for Young Women's Good

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AnchorAlum

...learn that college boys and yes, grown men, live through their penises. Don't ever go upstairs at a frat house unless its with your established boyfriend who you use for sex, don't make a fool of yourself by being the queen of kegstands, don't be STUPID, and Mr. Penis will have to sit in his room and go fap fap fap all by himself.

Yes, hell yes, I am a lot older than many of you. But here's the flash, girlies. Mr. Penis is an ancient god, one who lives through the ages.

They don't care what she is. They're trying to get laid. Is this a revelation in 2011?

With all due respect, what in the hell is this post about?

I wanted you to be sarcastic but I think you're serious. Beliefs like yours are exactly why "boys will be boys" persists.

[AnchorAlum]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

With all due respect, what in the hell is this post about?

I wanted you to be sarcastic but I think you're serious. Beliefs like yours are exactly why "boys will be boys" persists.

Where is the sarcastic emoticon? I don't see one that is capable of conveying the correct level I was trying to express. So your use of the term "beliefs" reveals your mistaken interpretation.

There was an enormous amount of sarcasm in my post....and yes,

there was a lot in there to slam on "boys".


Rape is an ugly and heinous crime. Drugging women should NOT be an easy thing to accomplish in a room full of informed and aware females, and women have to know this and be smarter than men.

Because men who drug and then rape women are admitting that they aren't good enough to get a woman in bed any other way. I'm just saying that we're smarter than that. Or should be.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AnchorAlum

J.F.C.

If you think that my point was that we should stop talking about rape so we don't upset anyone, I AM NOT THE IDIOT HERE.

I read what this woman wrote, and I read also the op-ed in the WSJ last weekend. I have my take, and you have yours.

She's a freakin' pansy if she was so upset by those horrible fraternity houses at UVA full of preppy little assholes who wear oxford shirts and orange and blue rep ties to the Wahoo games on Saturdays and leave at halftime cause their team sucks and their buzz is off.

Seriously, would YOU let a kid scare you off of that campus? Riiiiiggghhht.

Girlfriend would NOT survive a visit to a Baltimore McDonalds....

No the point of YOUR post was that you associate rape with sex and told women to stop being so dumb. The only place where YOU were an idiot was when you failed to notice that I was replying to 33girl which ironically was the only part of the post you actually responded to.

So, LTR. Til then, my "What the fuck" at your crazy rant stands.

Originally Posted by AnchorAlum

Where is the sarcastic emoticon? I don't see one that is capable of conveying the correct level I was trying to express. So your use of the term "beliefs" reveals your mistaken interpretation.

There was an enormous amount of sarcasm in my post....and yes,

there was a lot in there to slam on "boys".


Rape is an ugly and heinous crime. Drugging women should NOT be an easy thing to accomplish in a room full of informed and aware females, and women have to know this and be smarter than men.

Because men who drug and then rape women are admitting that they aren't good enough to get a woman in bed any other way. I'm just saying that we're smarter than that. Or should be.

IT IS NOT ABOUT SEX.
RAPE IS NOT ABOUT SEX

And most rape victims are not drugged and they are no more responsible for their rape than someone who is, in your opinion, stupider than men.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

IT IS NOT ABOUT SEX.
RAPE IS NOT ABOUT SEX

Personal assessments aside, there are researchers who posit that rape is a heinous and inexcusable act that is motivated by sexual fulfillment. They propose that the debate over the motivation doesn't minimize the heinousness of rape or excuse the actions.

In response to those researchers, others propose that some rapists do so for sexual fulfillment but the majority do so for dominance. The research on rapist motivation is relatively scarce on either side. The support for the notion of rape as dominance instead of sex is partially rooted in studies of offenders and victims; but mostly rooted in the push for rape victims to be seen as more than sexual pawns who tempted and sexually enticed a horny offender.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Personal assessments aside, there are researchers who posit that rape is a heinous and inexcusable act that is motivated by sexual fulfillment. They propose that the debate over the motivation doesn't minimize the heinousness of rape or excuse the actions.

In response to those researchers, others propose that some rapists do so for sexual fulfillment but the majority do so for dominance. The research on rapist motivation is relatively scarce on either side. The support for the notion of rape as dominance instead of sex is partially rooted in studies of offenders and victims; but mostly rooted in the push for rape victims to be seen as more than sexual pawns who tempted and sexually enticed a horny offender.

@ bolded. Citation needed.


Some researchers say a lot of things, but mostly I see this out of the mostly misguided, imo, evo psych. Evolutionary psychologists like to argue that rape is natural. Some, though not all, are careful to condemn it at the same time. Evolutionary psychologists are also incredibly unscientific by specifically selecting the behavior of other animals and comparing it to humans and then attempting to apply motivations based on evolutionary success. I've not seen anything out of evo. psych. that I'd consider valid. The Rationally Thinking podcast addresses many of the issues I have with the quasi-field.

There is a sexual component to rape by the nature of the act, but that isn't the same thing as saying it's about sex. Many rapists are also having consensual sex. Many rapists rape someone with whom they regularly have consensual sex, or have in the past. Elderly women, children who are raped/molested by non-pedophiles* and so on.

AA's rant was absolutely nonsensical to me on every ground, and any satire was lost by the focus on the guy not being able to get any and the reduction of men to their penises. It did more to excuse rape than 'satirically' call it out.

That and the fact she responded to the wrong reply.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AnchorAlum

Where is the sarcastic emoticon? I don't see one that is capable of conveying the correct level I was trying to express. So your use of the term "beliefs" reveals your mistaken interpretation.

There was an enormous amount of sarcasm in my post....and yes,

Sigh of relief.

It read like you were seriously trying to inform "younger women" about men and how men were ruled by their penises. You were just being sarcastic and don't really believe that. Good.