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Old 04-26-2011, 07:43 PM
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Question Appropriate Sanctions for Recruitment Infractions

Looking for creative - yet serious - ideas for sanctions imposed to chapters due to recruitment infractions.

We all know that presenting an 'educational program' does nothing but take up time and that no one ever learns anything new, so we're trying to come up with some new ideas...keeping in mind that sanctions cannot interfere with a chapter's ability to participate in recruitment or achieve quota.

One we've thought of so far is:

*disallow the member who committed the infraction from being present or "speaking" (read: participating with recruiting PNMs during a party) in a certain round(s) of recruitment

Any other ideas out there? Our campus is really having issues with enforcement of recruitment rules, because the punishment never fits the crime. It's too easy to break rules and get away with doing NOTHING for punishment. We're trying to figure out ways to enforce the rules and make the sanction and equal and appropriate response to the action. Thanks!
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Old 04-26-2011, 07:45 PM
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Have you considered docking them points for Greek Week/Homecoming (whatever)? If your school is pretty competitive about those things, that could be pretty effective.
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Old 04-26-2011, 07:46 PM
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We had this thread before - some good ideas in it.

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ad.php?t=99271
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Old 04-26-2011, 07:53 PM
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THANK YOU, 33 girl!! I had not located that thread - appreicate you linking to it!!
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Old 04-26-2011, 08:39 PM
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Just an FYI - if you go down to the bottom of the page there is a list of "similar threads." Sometimes they make sense (like in this case) sometimes not.
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Old 04-26-2011, 09:48 PM
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I doubt that you could restrict the woman from participating in recruitment. You might catch some flack from their national organization and NPC.
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Old 04-27-2011, 09:25 AM
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I doubt that you could restrict the woman from participating in recruitment. You might catch some flack from their national organization and NPC.
This is the way I've interpreted it - that since formal recruitment is a function coordinated and sponsored by Panhellenic, yes you can. Whole chapters have been barred from participating in formal recruitment. However, that isn't the same thing as not being able to recruit at all or take members. It's usually in Panhel's interest not to play this card, as if you bar ABC from formal they are still allowed to informally rush in whatever manner their nationals deem fit. In other words, if they want to take girls to Morton's for steak and then shopping at Coach for a rush party, they can. They don't have to play by the rules of formal rush at ALL.

Pretty much you don't want to open up the wild wild west, because people will go there.
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Old 04-27-2011, 10:22 AM
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This is the way I've interpreted it - that since formal recruitment is a function coordinated and sponsored by Panhellenic, yes you can. Whole chapters have been barred from participating in formal recruitment. However, that isn't the same thing as not being able to recruit at all or take members. It's usually in Panhel's interest not to play this card, as if you bar ABC from formal they are still allowed to informally rush in whatever manner their nationals deem fit. In other words, if they want to take girls to Morton's for steak and then shopping at Coach for a rush party, they can. They don't have to play by the rules of formal rush at ALL.

Pretty much you don't want to open up the wild wild west, because people will go there.
Excuse my ignorance, but is the rule "no gifts" not an NPC/informal/COB rule? We don't really have COB on my campus
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Old 04-27-2011, 10:32 AM
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Excuse my ignorance, but is the rule "no gifts" not an NPC/informal/COB rule? We don't really have COB on my campus
I think you're asking if chapters can give away gifts during COB. The answer is "no".

From the MOI:

All Styles [of recruitment]: No favors or gifts may be given to women by the fraternity and/or individual members.

However, it's less clear that something like taking PNM's to a $300 spa day would be against the rules, and I think that's 33girl's point.
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Old 04-27-2011, 01:44 PM
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I think you're asking if chapters can give away gifts during COB. The answer is "no".

From the MOI:

All Styles [of recruitment]: No favors or gifts may be given to women by the fraternity and/or individual members.

However, it's less clear that something like taking PNM's to a $300 spa day would be against the rules, and I think that's 33girl's point.
Yeah, I can see how that is a gray area. But it is so strange to me because you better make sure no one leaves with a napkin or something like that on accident during FR to avoid a "gift" infraction.
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Old 04-27-2011, 11:47 AM
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On the campus I advise on, the universities own the housing and select the groups that have housing and who gets what house (some houses are nicer than others). One of the deterrents to dirty rushing is if you have multiple infractions, your GLO could potentially loose their house for the following year and be moved into a suite or be moved into a less desirable house (No sorority wants a house that belonged to a fratenity for 5 years. Its just gross.)
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Old 04-26-2011, 09:51 PM
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At my school, depending on the severity of the infraction, they may take away bids or not allow a chapter to participate in recruitment the following semester.
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Old 04-26-2011, 09:55 PM
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At my school, depending on the severity of the infraction, they may take away bids or not allow a chapter to participate in recruitment the following semester.
My understanding of NPC regulations is that this is not allowed. Not sure where this came from at your school, but taking away bids is absolutely not a part of any NPC recommendation or guideline. In fact, I believe the exact opposite to be true. Can't tell you the exact page in the Manual of Information or NPC materials, but I KNOW I've read that NPC guidelines do not allow taking spots away from quota or the prohibition of participation in obtaining quota or total (which would include formal recruitment & COB activities).

If I were a collegian at your school, I would challenge this. But, that's just me.
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Old 04-26-2011, 09:57 PM
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I haven't seen the latest copy of the Green Book, but AFAIK, nothing can happen which would disallow a chapter from taking quota.

Well, maybe if a gang of sisters hatchet murder another sorority...
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Old 04-26-2011, 10:03 PM
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I have seen cases where women were released from the MRABA due to dirty rushing, but they weren't forced out. Big difference.
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