Protests In Wisconsin

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

Oh man. I am so sorry.

I'm also REALLY surprised that Texas schools are in the position to lay off Sp. Ed. teachers. That doesn't usually happen (too hard to find/replace.)

I think that will be happening in Michigan too because the gov is cutting the special ed budget by 5% and the regular ed budget only by 4%. Such a good guy.

ETA: It dawned on me. These whacko Republican Governors in these swing states may just help Obama get re-elected in the end.

[bones40]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I think that will be happening in Michigan too because the gov is cutting the special ed budget by 5% and the regular ed budget only by 4%. Such a good guy.

ETA: It dawned on me. These whacko Republican Governors in these swing states may just help Obama get re-elected in the end.

Don't bet on it. The wacko union thugs national membership was down to 14% and that was with a Democratic controlled House, Senate and White House. I am probably not as smart as you liberals but I think 86% is bigger than 14%. Most of the country is behind the Wisconsin Governor and Obama is a one term President.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by bones40

Don't bet on it. The wacko union thugs national membership was down to 14% and that was with a Democratic controlled House, Senate and White House. I am probably not as smart as you liberals but I think 86% is bigger than 14%. Most of the country is behind the Wisconsin Governor and Obama is a one term President.

Read my posts above because the stuff in Michigan isn't about unions. It's about a governor trying to take the power to take over any city or school district that HE deems to be in a financial crisis and fire all of their elected officials and appoint his own manager to that city. Elected officials are NOT unionized.

As to China's education system, they have increased their funding of it by 1% every year since 1998. Education is only compulsory through age 15. It is 100% government run. They spend $2867 per student. Some students only go to agriculture school after age 15, where they learn Chinese, Mathematics and Morals. Students have to take an entrance exam to get into a college prep high school. Is that better? Really?

Our education spending in Michigan has not skyrocketed. It has gone down significantly over the past 3 years. It's been cut more than $2000 in some districts.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by AGDee

Read my posts above because the stuff in Michigan isn't about unions. It's about a governor trying to take the power to take over any city or school district that HE deems to be in a financial crisis and fire all of their elected officials and appoint his own manager to that city. Elected officials are NOT unionized.

I don't get what the big deal is Dee, the state has always had the ability to take over city management during a fiscal or other crisis. During the whole Kwame mess the governor had the option to impeach Kwame and take over the city of Detroit. If that HAD happened it would've been a budget manager out of Lansing who would have been the "mayor" of Detroit. People have been calling for a state takeover of DPS for years as well, it's just that Granholm, while mentioning the option was available, didn't want to get into that hot mess and I don't blame her.

So how is this any different?

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I don't get what the big deal is Dee, the state has always had the ability to take over city management during a fiscal or other crisis. During the whole Kwame mess the governor had the option to impeach Kwame and take over the city of Detroit. If that HAD happened it would've been a budget manager out of Lansing who would have been the "mayor" of Detroit. People have been calling for a state takeover of DPS for years as well, it's just that Granholm, while mentioning the option was available, didn't want to get into that hot mess and I don't blame her.

So how is this any different?

There is a difference from impeaching somebody and just sacking somebody.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

There is a difference from impeaching somebody and just sacking somebody.

True but AFAIK if the state ever did take over the city due to a crisis people elected and appointed would be replaced left and right.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I don't get what the big deal is Dee, the state has always had the ability to take over city management during a fiscal or other crisis. During the whole Kwame mess the governor had the option to impeach Kwame and take over the city of Detroit. If that HAD happened it would've been a budget manager out of Lansing who would have been the "mayor" of Detroit. People have been calling for a state takeover of DPS for years as well, it's just that Granholm, while mentioning the option was available, didn't want to get into that hot mess and I don't blame her.

So how is this any different?

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

There is a difference from impeaching somebody and just sacking somebody.

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

True but AFAIK if the state ever did take over the city due to a crisis people elected and appointed would be replaced left and right.

There is a huge difference between impeaching a mayor and eliminating the entire city council and disincorporating a city. Additionally, for the governor to impeach that mayor, there are steps required, including a hearing. It doesn't eliminate the whole city as an entity! It would also allow for a new election because there is a secession plan built into a city charter. And an ELECTED city council member would become mayor, not whoever the governor decides to put in charge. Tell me how the following can even happen in a democracy?


Gov. Snyder is seeking emergency powers that would enable him to 1) unilaterally declare a "financial emergency", 2) disincorporate entire municipal governments, 3) dismiss elected officials with no replacement election to follow, 4) seize control of local civil services, 5) hand taxpayer money, services and POWERS to private, for-profit firms.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by bones40

I am probably not as smart as you

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