Symbol "Quirks"

[aephi alum]

Originally Posted by Gusteau

So hard, but I've gotten it down to a science. It boggles my mind that some badges aren't supposed to be "straight."

I've kind of envied members of those GLOs whose badges aren't supposed to be straight. If you're, say, a Pi Phi, it doesn't matter at what precise angle you pin your badge as long as the arrow is pointing up. If you're an AEPhi, your badge has to be horizontal. "OK, let me pin my badge onto this silk blouse... crap, not quite horizontal... OK, let me re-pin it... crap, still not quite right... <several attempts later> OK, finally right, but the 'left chest' area of my blouse now looks like Swiss cheese. I hope the dry cleaner can do something about that."

As for colors, we use green and white, but we don't specify a particular shade of green - although I think the white would have to be pure white. (#FFFFFF )

[tld221]

Originally Posted by aephi alum

I've kind of envied members of those GLOs whose badges aren't supposed to be straight. If you're, say, a Pi Phi, it doesn't matter at what precise angle you pin your badge as long as the arrow is pointing up. If you're an AEPhi, your badge has to be horizontal. "OK, let me pin my badge onto this silk blouse... crap, not quite horizontal... OK, let me re-pin it... crap, still not quite right... <several attempts later> OK, finally right, but the 'left chest' area of my blouse now looks like Swiss cheese. I hope the dry cleaner can do something about that."

As for colors, we use green and white, but we don't specify a particular shade of green - although I think the white would have to be pure white. (#FFFFFF )

Not that i could tell you what your colors are, but i always understood AEPhi's green to be like emerald/forest green. i cant imagine AEPhi in, say, lime green and #ffffff

[aephi alum]

Originally Posted by tld221

Not that i could tell you what your colors are, but i always understood AEPhi's green to be like emerald/forest green. i cant imagine AEPhi in, say, lime green and #ffffff

True

What I was trying to say is that (AFAIK) we don't have a specific designation like "olive green" or CMYK or hex codes for a specific shade of green. So long as it's in the mid-green range - not too light and not too much yellow or blue - it's ok.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by aephi alum

As for colors, we use green and white, but we don't specify a particular shade of green - although I think the white would have to be pure white. (#FFFFFF )

I find this interesting. Usually with sororities at least, it seems as though they're very specific with their colors.. Mode, azure blue, pearl white, buff..

AST is specifically emerald green and gold. I can't imagine using a brighter green, and it probably wouldn't look as nice with gold. As tld221 pointed out, I couldn't picture AEPhi using a light green, either.

What other groups aren't particular about the shades of their colors?

[CutiePie2000]

I posted this in the ancient times of 2005 and I will post it again now.
Even though I'm not an AGD, I always thought this was rather interesting.....

Alpha Gamma Delta has 2 versions of its crest or "Armorial Bearings"....

The American version:


The Canadian version:


"Alpha Gamma Delta chapters in Canada have a slight variation in the design of the Armorial Bearings. Chapters in Canada use the Coat of Arms without the helmet. Rulings of the British government do not permit anyone except the sovereign to bear the Royal Helmet".

And since Canada is still part of the British Empire, hence the different crest.

[AGD1978]

Originally Posted by CutiePie2000

I posted this in the ancient times of 2005 and I will post it again now.
Even though I'm not an AGD, I always thought this was rather interesting.....

Alpha Gamma Delta has 2 versions of its crest or "Armorial Bearings"....

The American version:


The Canadian version:


"Alpha Gamma Delta chapters in Canada have a slight variation in the design of the Armorial Bearings. Chapters in Canada use the Coat of Arms without the helmet. Rulings of the British government do not permit anyone except the sovereign to bear the Royal Helmet".

And since Canada is still part of the British Empire, hence the different crest.

I had totally forgotten that bit of info! I learned it when I was a pledge (does that date me?) but it had slipped my mind. Thanks for the reminder!

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

I find this interesting. Usually with sororities at least, it seems as though they're very specific with their colors.. Mode, azure blue, pearl white, buff..

AST is specifically emerald green and gold. I can't imagine using a brighter green, and it probably wouldn't look as nice with gold. As tld221 pointed out, I couldn't picture AEPhi using a light green, either.

What other groups aren't particular about the shades of their colors?

I suppose red, buff, and green aren't totally specific (another sister correct me if I'm wrong) so I don't think there are specific shades of those colors that must be used. Though just about everything I own that uses our colors is crayola red, a forest green, and bright yellow. So hard to find something that uses actual buff.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

I suppose red, buff, and green aren't totally specific (another sister correct me if I'm wrong) so I don't think there are specific shades of those colors that must be used. Though just about everything I own that uses our colors is crayola red, a forest green, and bright yellow. So hard to find something that uses actual buff.

Well, it's different when you're getting stuff straight from IHQ (paperwork, etc.) since we as mere mortals don't have access to the same resources. Most of the stuff I've noticed coming from IHQ does indeedy use more of a "buff" color rather than yellow. The colors on the website use buff. It's just hard to find that color in real life without it looking off.

For all three colors, I'm sure they use their own standard color codes to keep everything consistent online/in print - whether that's RGB, CYMK, or HSI I have no idea.

Another example, I've never, not once in my life, seen a buff rose in person.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by 33girl

As you can see, there are 4 little hickydoos (I don't know what else to call them) at the top of the crest and under the Phoenix

Originally Posted by aopirose

It's called a wreath or sometimes tortilly.

Actually, it's called a wreath or a torse, with each of the hickydoos being a knot or a twist. It's supposed to look like two pieces of cloth -- tradiitionally one in the main tincture (color) of the field of the shield and one in the main metal (silver [white] or gold [yellow], which are not considered colors) twisted together. It's what would have held the knight's crest on his helmet. (Note: heraldically speaking, the crest is only what is above the torse -- in ASA's case, the crown -- not the entire design.) Customarily, there are six twists, which may explain why some who don't know better get ASA's wrong.

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

I suppose red, buff, and green aren't totally specific (another sister correct me if I'm wrong) so I don't think there are specific shades of those colors that must be used.(

I think of buff as a specific shade that doesn't need further description.

Meanwhile, since erroneous coats of arms have been brought up, as I mentioned in the thread on arms and other symbols, one sometimes sees this for ours:

There shouldn't be a ribbon with "PHI MU ALPHA" on top. It should look like this:

[33girl]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Actually, it's called a wreath or a torse, with each of the hickydoos being a knot or a twist. It's supposed to look like two pieces of cloth -- tradiitionally one in the main tincture (color) of the field of the shield and one in the main metal (silver [white] or gold [yellow], which are not considered colors) twisted together. It's what would have held the knight's crest on his helmet. (Note: heraldically speaking, the crest is only what is above the torse -- in ASA's case, the crown -- not the entire design.) Customarily, there are six twists, which may explain why some who don't know better get ASA's wrong.

Thanks for explaining that. It always seemed like such a random thing to futz up.

[Scully]

Originally Posted by aephi alum

As for colors, we use green and white, but we don't specify a particular shade of green - although I think the white would have to be pure white. (#FFFFFF )

I wish we did specify a standard green! Usually our chapter went towards a kelly green in terms of apparel. Although, the one exception was our matching lettered pullovers, which were more of a hunter green. I'm not a fan of inconsistency.

[AGDLynn]

From my GC post on Buff Roses

I found a very interesting article in the Spring 1977 Quarterly, "What is a Buff Rose" by Jane McLane Reid, EA.

Editor's note before the article, "Early Fraternity history speaks of red and buff roses, but the record is not clear as to what color was actually meant by "buff". Founder Emily Butterfield's song says, "Here's to the Rose, the fair buff rose, in all it's purity...When Tau Chapter was installed in 1919, Ophelia roses were reportedly brought to Toronto b Louise Leonard, A, then Grand President, to be used with crimson ones. Varieties of roses "run out", however and new ones have to be bred; no particular rose is endorsed as Alpha Gamma Delta's "buff rose". The author summaries here what information is available about yellow and buff roses at the time the Fraternity was founded and throughout the years. "

"What did the Founders of Alpha Gamma Delta mean when, in 1905, they chose "crimson and buff roses" as Fraternity flowers?


Crimson roses have grown in gardens for thousands of year...

But a buff rose? True, the American Rose Society describes very few roses as "buff" - but what's buff? Even the dictionaries don't agree.

Webster's Third International Dictionary offers "4a; a moderate orange yellow" and "4b: a light to moderate yellow". The Random House Dictionary of the English Lanquage says "4. yellowish-brown, medium, or dark tan"...

My pledge class was told, informally and unofficially that in roses, "buff" meant "yellow". Yellow and red roses graced our teas, luncheons, and banquets. in Fraternity context, this makes sense. Clear, light-to-medium yellow roses make a pleasing partner to red roses..

Admitting yellow, however, does not unsnarl the puzzle. For good yellow roses are still far fewer than good red ones. And in Syracuse, New York, must have been very rare indeed. the color came to garden roses late. ...

Before 1900, wild yellow roses grew in a few gardens. And hybrid yellow roses, based on the tender Asian ones, flourished near the Gulf Coast - but not in the bitter winters of New York state.

Maybe the Founders' "buff" rose was based, not on a real flower, but on an ideal. Roses, after all, have been the focus of symbolism, sacred and secular, since the beginning of written records.

Regardless of the shade of color they happen to be, it's the association of buff and red roses together that has meaning for Alpha Gamma deltas.

(In the short bio about the author, it says, "Once a dedicated rose grower, she says she now finally gave up the struggle in New Jersey...and her former hybrid tea bed now grows tomatoes.".)

Wonder what she grows 10 years later.

[AGDLynn]

Alpha Gamma Delta has actually had two badges. Our first badge--as it was worn on the day of our Founding--was a monogram with the Alpha chased on the bottom, the Gamma plain in the middle, and the Delta on top set in pearls. If you can envision it, it was basically backwards from what our badge is today.

Our Founders so disliked it that they commissioned jeweler J.F. Newman to come up with several new designs. The new badge was selected by Alpha on November 19, 1904. That badge was the one we all know, love, and wear proudly to this day.

[ColdInCanada11]

Originally Posted by AGDLynn

Alpha Gamma Delta has actually had two badges. Our first badge--as it was worn on the day of our Founding--was a monogram with the Alpha chased on the bottom, the Gamma plain in the middle, and the Delta on top set in pearls. If you can envision it, it was basically backwards from what our badge is today.

Our Founders so disliked it that they commissioned jeweler J.F. Newman to come up with several new designs. The new badge was selected by Alpha on November 19, 1904. That badge was the one we all know, love, and wear proudly to this day.

I totally didn't know that, thanks! I love learning Alpha Gam facts

Ps. I can barely even imagine what it would look like, I actually had to draw it to figure it out.