Quota Additions at Super Competitive Schools

[gee_ess]

Originally Posted by OleMissGlitter

So that brings me to this question (because I really don't have an answer)....Are we starting to see the "flaws" in RFM? Thoughts?

I'm late to this discussion but I am one who thinks we are definitely seeing some flaws in RFM. RFM has a lot of good points, and I think I understand the inception, and birth ot it. However, somewhere along the way, a monster was created - the monster of 'everyone gets a bid, QA's are plentiful, and pledge classes are now over 100 on many campuses.

The heavy cuts mandated for stronger chapters after round one make sense but (and woe to me for even suggesting this) I think another, equally heavy cut needs to happen just before pref.

And, on another note, my experience with QA's is that they are very, very often great, contributing members (just not superstar pnms but loved enough to get to pref). As an advisor, I often got quite a kick out of watching a QA from the previous year take a positive, leadership/active role in recruitment the next year. (keeping in mind that only I knew she was a QA,of course)

[carnation]

Originally Posted by gee_ess

And, on another note, my experience with QA's is that they are very, very often great, contributing members (just not superstar pnms but loved enough to get to pref). As an advisor, I often got quite a kick out of watching a QA from the previous year take a positive, leadership/active role in recruitment the next year. (keeping in mind that only I knew she was a QA,of course)

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[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by gee_ess

I'm late to this discussion but I am one who thinks we are definitely seeing some flaws in RFM. RFM has a lot of good points, and I think I understand the inception, and birth ot it. However, somewhere along the way, a monster was created - the monster of 'everyone gets a bid, QA's are plentiful, and pledge classes are now over 100 on many campuses.

The heavy cuts mandated for stronger chapters after round one make sense but (and woe to me for even suggesting this) I think another, equally heavy cut needs to happen just before pref.

I think the pledge class issue will end up resolved if schools can add chapters as a result. I think that the RFM monster is exaggerated. Not every PNM gets a bid, it's still entirely possible to be cut from all chapters (even those told not to cut anyone). Ultimately I think this is all GOOD for Greek Life, as minimizing PNMs cut from recruitment by forcing them to seek other chapters will on the whole increase the number matched and the number who are positive about Greek Life moving forward

I know expansion isn't as easy as snapping your fingers but it seems that those many campuses probably need to begin the process unless they want chapters of 300+ to be the norm. And on many smaller campuses RFM is helping 5 chapters sustain a much smaller number of actives without the constant teetering collapse, colonization and rinse/repeat.

[Barbie's_Rush]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Not every PNM gets a bid, it's still entirely possible to be cut from all chapters (even those told not to cut anyone).

Unless the pnm is ridiculous (strange beyond words, horrible gpa etc.) it's rare for her to be cut by all chapters. Generally she eliminates the "must invite all back" chapters with her rankings in the first round or two where she still ends up with a full schedule. By the time those "stronger recruiting" chapters are doing the cuts that eliminate her, she doesn't have any of those other "weaker recruiting" chapters left so she's left completely without invites. This is how pnms end up "dropping through the cracks" as it seems to get called on gc.

[oliviaosentoski]

Originally Posted by gee_ess

I'm late to this discussion but I am one who thinks we are definitely seeing some flaws in RFM. RFM has a lot of good points, and I think I understand the inception, and birth ot it. However, somewhere along the way, a monster was created - the monster of 'everyone gets a bid, QA's are plentiful, and pledge classes are now over 100 on many campuses.

The heavy cuts mandated for stronger chapters after round one make sense but (and woe to me for even suggesting this) I think another, equally heavy cut needs to happen just before pref.

And, on another note, my experience with QA's is that they are very, very often great, contributing members (just not superstar pnms but loved enough to get to pref). As an advisor, I often got quite a kick out of watching a QA from the previous year take a positive, leadership/active role in recruitment the next year. (keeping in mind that only I knew she was a QA,of course)

I agree with heavier cuts needing to be made before prefs. By cutting more befor pref will have less disappointed pnms and chapters on there bid day.

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by oliviaosentoski

I agree with heavier cuts needing to be made before prefs. By cutting more befor pref will have less disappointed pnms and chapters on there bid day.

Exactly, on my campus there were 4 chapters who notoriously invited 4-5 times the number of girls in relation to the number of bids they had available. At that time we could only attend two pref parties. One year it was really awful, my grand little was a Rho Chi (as they were called then) and several of the girls in her group attend preference at different combinations of these 4 chapters. None of them received a bid, she had to console over 10 women that night. After that year, the campus made a policy that chapters could not invite more than a certain percentage over their quota to preference. The following year was much better as far as the number of women who didn't match. Individual campus panhellenics need to watch the numbers and the trends to adjust accordingly each year.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap

Exactly, on my campus there were 4 chapters who notoriously invited 4-5 times the number of girls in relation to the number of bids they had available. At that time we could only attend two pref parties. One year it was really awful, my grand little was a Rho Chi (as they were called then) and several of the girls in her group attend preference at different combinations of these 4 chapters. None of them received a bid, she had to console over 10 women that night. After that year, the campus made a policy that chapters could not invite more than a certain percentage over their quota to preference. The following year was much better as far as the number of women who didn't match. Individual campus panhellenics need to watch the numbers and the trends to adjust accordingly each year.

No, no, no, individual panhellenics should be using the Release Figures Method agreed upon by the NPC.